Alpha Feedback - Ford Mustang Mach-E

[Jason-ABRP]

To verify and improve our models we need your feedback.  There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one:

• Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used.
• Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser.
• Contribute data via OBD or other methods.

The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car.  Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car:

• An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro.
• If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla

If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car!

Thanks for providing feedback!

[timbop]

The mustang mach-e standard range battery can only charge at 115kw, which puts it in the second tier of pricing for electrify america (125kw and under) which is generally $.70/min but the estimator is computing the charging rate at the 150kw price tier ($.99 a minute). Also, you might want to add the option for EA pass+ members who get an even cheaper rate ($.69 for 126-150kw and $.50 for 76-125kw)

[Jason-ABRP]

On 1/16/2020 at 11:49 AM, timbop said:

The mustang mach-e standard range battery can only charge at 115kw, which puts it in the second tier of pricing for electrify america (125kw and under) which is generally $.70/min but the estimator is computing the charging rate at the 150kw price tier ($.99 a minute). Also, you might want to add the option for EA pass+ members who get an even cheaper rate ($.69 for 126-150kw and $.50 for 76-125kw)

Fixed the charging tier for the Mach-E, thanks!  Do you have any more information about the charge curve for the Mach-E? Ours is very much a guess based on the information I was able to dredge up post-reveal.

On the EA Pass+ (among other membership pricing), that's something we're considering how to handle, but probably something we'll add to the app / new website as we approach feature parity with the current version.

 

[bradjc2]

The best source I've found for the charging curve is here: 

 

 

What I captured from the video:

44% 143 kW
45% 138 kW
47% 130 kW
48% 98 kW
49% 97 kW
51% 97 kW
55% 101 kW
60% 92 kW
80% 74 kW

[mixduptransistor]

I have a Mach E on the way and should have it by April. I'd love to contribute to getting more and better data into ABRP. Are there more details on how I can help? I have an iPhone, so any data collection based on the phone would need to be iOS compatible 

[Russell]

Here’s a good article with sample data from two charging sessions on two different software versions. There are also additional links to a deep-dive on the charging data and a 70 MPH range test, which averaged 3.3 mi/kWh (18.79 kWh/100km) for the ER (88kwh) AWD model.

https://insideevs.com/news/503880/mustang-mach-e-dc-fast-charge-test/

Edited May 31, 2021 by Russell
Added reference consumption at 70 MPH.

[magico13]

I picked up a Select AWD (211 mile version) this week and would love to contribute data. I signed up for Tronity which is able to read some data but it looks like I can't link it to ABRP with this car (yet). I'm not positive that it fully reads data accurately/fast enough to be super useful but it's better than nothing.

I'm going to try to document the trip I'm taking this weekend partly because most of the data available is for the extended range battery. I've barely seen anything for the standard range.

[magico13]

Well I have a bunch more data to process and clean up but figured I'd throw this plot on here of the SR battery charging from ~14% to 80% at 78F external temperature after a day of driving. Note that the % here and the power numbers are coming from the CAN data, so 50% matches 50% on the dash but 80% on the dash is only 77% or so internally and 14% on the dash is about 17% internally. And this is power going into the battery, not the power from the charger itself. I'll get the raw data up in the next few days.

[sfabris]

14 hours ago, magico13 said:

Well I have a bunch more data to process and clean up but figured I'd throw this plot on here of the SR battery charging from ~14% to 80% at 78F external temperature after a day of driving. Note that the % here and the power numbers are coming from the CAN data, so 50% matches 50% on the dash but 80% on the dash is only 77% or so internally and 14% on the dash is about 17% internally. And this is power going into the battery, not the power from the charger itself. I'll get the raw data up in the next few days.

Hi, 

I have a SR rear drive. How did you collect this data?

Right now I'm playing with Ford (unofficial) API, but the info you can get is the same avaiable on the Fordpass app.

[magico13]

Just now, sfabris said:

I have a SR rear drive. How did you collect this data?

With an OBD2 reader and the Car Scanner app. There's a load of data that doesn't get read properly but the battery power, voltage, current, and charge level are all populated so I recorded it during all the charges I did on my trip.

This particular one was the closest to a 10-80% charge, all the others are partials. I'm going to try to compile all my data into a Google sheet that's got usage for each leg of the trip. It was over 600 miles in two days.

[sfabris]

Just now, magico13 said:

the Car Scanner app. There's a load of data that doesn't get read properly but the battery power, voltage, current, and charge level are all populated so I recorded

Nice to know, I'm waiting for a ODB2 bluetooth dongle so can collect data also with my car.

[magico13]

One trick I found with the current settings in ABRP is that setting the consumption to 4 mi/kWh @ 65mph pretty much exactly matched my battery level at each stop. The default settings are way too conservative. I definitely didn't get 4 mi/kWh when actually driving so the model definitely needs tweaked but once I set it to that I was able to plan my routes pretty accurately. Not sure how well that trick works with other battery/motor options. I had my cruise control set to +5mph for the whole trip, so if you have it lower then you might have to play with that number.

[sfabris]

You are driving me crazy with all this imperial units...

If I'm not wrong your suggestion should should be around 6.44 km/kWh ( 15.5 kWh/100 km) at 105 km/h. Will try!

Right now I mostly drive in mountain roads (first week of the car), and yes,  ABRP is slightly conservative.

Next week I'm planning for a long-ish trip, mostly freeway roads, so I will try to match your suggestion with ABRP defaul.

 

Thanks!!

[sfabris]

You are driving me crazy with all this imperial units...

If I'm not wrong your suggestion should should be around 6.44 km/kWh ( 15.5 kWh/100 km) at 105 km/h. Will try!

Right now I mostly drive in mountain roads (first week of the car), and yes,  ABRP is slightly conservative.

Next week I'm planning for a long-ish trip, mostly freeway roads, so I will try to match your suggestion with ABRP defaul.

 

Thanks!!

[magico13]

Haha, I'm in the US and while I'll happily use metric units in scientific settings my brain wants imperial units for things like driving. The way I came up with that estimate was by driving the first leg of my trip and playing with the efficiency setting until ABRP lined up with what I actually saw in terms of battery usage. I kept coming up with the same number each time I did another stop but your mileage/kilometerage may vary. 

[magico13]

Sorry if it feels like I'm spamming this thread but I've got my data uploaded to a Google sheet that should be accessible to everyone. There are four DC fast charges, mostly in the 20% to 60% range but also the one I showed before for 14% to 80%. Additionally there is some information about the drives themselves: distance, temperature, SOC % difference, time. Hopefully that helps build out the model for the SR AWD! Please let me know if there is any other data that would be useful, I'd be happy to run some tests and get some data to help ABRP get this car nailed down.

Google Sheets link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1is_ilF-2y1i5BlG-3KXJ7XY9mXkpaTsscvekLAo4YJM/edit?usp=sharing

 

[sfabris]

Did you ping jason@abetterrouteplanner.com with your work? Did you get a feedback from him?

I thin I will get my odb2 dongle by the end of the month, but given your work of correlating SOC % to Kwh I can have a clear figure of exact consumption for my MME.

My only problem is how to take in consideration altitude  In the past weeks I drive at least 1000 meters in altitude difference each day. I think the only way is to log gps data together with speed and SOC...

[magico13]

I did reach out to him and got a response. He mentioned that they recently got some info about which PIDs to use for the Mach E so we can hopefully get all the needed data through the OBD adapter. I mentioned you were also interested in gathering data so hopefully he just posts something we can all follow to get everything set up correctly.

I definitely expect some gps/speed/altitude plus power consumption data from a bunch of drives are going to be needed. I'm not sure yet if they'll want us to just record that and email the files or if there's a way we can send it directly to ABRP through a phone app.

[Eric C. Boston]

I am searching around and gathering information about hooking up my RWD ER Mach-E to ABRP. It appears that jason may have gotten some Extended PID Information I figured out. Some of the PIDs are the same as other Ford Hybrid/Electric vehicles. I was able to figure out some of the new charging Extended PIDs. Still a lot of work to do.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ford-mustang-mach-e-extended-pids-for-torque-project.7427/

I wonder what other Extended PID values are needed to allow Toque, or another method, to send a full data set to ABRP.

 

[Knackwurst]

Has there been any progress on this? I can read some data via odb2 from my MME and would love to contribute relevant information in order to get live data working.

[zhackwyatt]

On 10/14/2021 at 7:01 AM, Knackwurst said:

Has there been any progress on this? I can read some data via odb2 from my MME and would love to contribute relevant information in order to get live data working.

In case you don't know, the ABRP app can now get information directly from the Mach-E with an ODB2 dongle.

[Pingu]

I've seen ABRP added a 2022 Mustang MachE. What's the difference between both models?

There has been an update to the charge curve and a little bit more battery capacity. Some cars got the update earlier this year, some EU cars got it with the recent upgrade of the energy train/Schütz Update.

How is this much better charging behavior represented?