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Alpha Feedback - Kia Niro

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To verify and improve our models we need your feedback.  There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one:

  • Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used.
  • Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser.
  • Contribute data via OBD or other methods.

The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car.  Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car:

  • An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro.
  • If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla

If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car!

Thanks for providing feedback!

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Hello , Thanks so much for ABRP ! I guess you should collaborate but big app like chargemap & co so they could trip planing as good as abrp 

 

I will have my niro en of march and will help you using torque pro

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Hi, getting my e-Niro by the end of March. Bought an Autopi dongle that I hope I can use to fetch SoC etc with and send to ABRP

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Hi, I configured the upload from Torque to the ABRP folder and I would like to know whether the data does well arrive and is useful for improving the trip planning for e-Niro.

 

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If you go to the planner (A Better Route Planner) and go to "Show Settings > Show More Settings > Live Data > View Live Data", you should see your data while in your car. 

If that doesn't work, try running through the setup instructions: "Show Settings > Show More Settings > Live Data > Setup", and make sure you've registered for the planner website "Show Settings > Show More Settings > Synchronize Settings > ABRP Login"

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Hi, thanks a lot for the tool, it really gives a good estimation (I'm an Ioniq driver, so I really need to plan carefully).

For a change I had 2 drives this week-end with a brand new Kia e-Niro. On the way back, the wind was blowing, so the results are not to be exploited, but on the way to my destination, conditions were good, and simulating afterwards (adjusting extra weight, temperature, max and reference speed to match trip times ...,) led to a reference consumption of between 165 and 170 Wh / km.

BR, Pierre

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Hello

I wanted to contribute  using ABRP and e-niro 64.

All informations are shown in Torque Pro, but nothing on ABRP View live data.

I followed your instructions. If you want I can send you screen captures from Torque and ABRP.

Jm

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Sorry I missed this, if you're still encountering issues, could you post screenshots? I checked on the torque server and it seems to be running without issue.  I restarted the service though, so perhaps whatever issue you encountered is now resolved.

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Hello,

I tried this morning, same issue.

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Hmm, everything seems to be running, and your telemetry entry in the database shows good data.  (I also updated the Niro temperature parameter in the server, it had the Ioniq's PID, copy & paste error!)  Perhaps try forcing a refresh?  Ctrl + F5 on a desktop, force closing and re-opening the "app" version of the website if you have that.

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Just got my e-niro in France ( NO heat Pump ) , grabbed Torque Pro and will set up the server connection this week.

 

I feel that today ABRP is really pessimistic with the e-niro in term of consumption @ 130 km/h

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2 hours ago, michel memeteau said:

Just got my e-niro in France ( NO heat Pump ) , grabbed Torque Pro and will set up the server connection this week.

 

I feel that today ABRP is really pessimistic with the e-niro in term of consumption @ 130 km/h

It absolutely is, which is by design since at the moment the model is completely analytical.  When I don't have sufficient data to build a fully data-based driving model I make the models pessimistic by about 10% to ensure I don't over-promise performance when I don't know a lot about it.

Once I have enough eNiro data from Torque, it should improve by a fair margin. 

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If you're seeing the data live on the website, I'm receiving the data!

When I get a chance I'll re-run my analysis and see if we've got enough Niro data points for a good model yet, perhaps we can upgrade the eNiro out of alpha soon!

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I'm the owner of a 64kw e-niro. I'll try to get an obd and torque to share datas, but i can say niro reference consumption is far lower than the 209wh/km. For a trip of 165 km mainly on hiway I have to set the reference consumption (at 110km/h) at about 157 for going and then 145 for the return, so 151 on average (not using the heater, 2 adults and a chil in the car, not much wind, good conditions). With this values, the planner shows similar results as what the car computer says. (battery level at start and arrival).

I think, using the air conditionner, it would have been about 171 on average... Maybe I'm quite an ecolo-driver... But I don't think I am...

Hope this will help other drivers, waiting for a non-alpha e-niro.

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Hello!

Thanks for the very useful website!

We had a whirlwind of an experience getting our new US model '19 Kia Niro EV (64kW) EX Premium, but we are loving it so far!!  I already had the Torque Pro app, but I got the recommended Torque PIDs added and logging upload setup really quickly on our way back home with the new vehicle, so I'm hoping it worked out.  If it did, you should have gotten a few hours worth of data from a US Kia e-Niro this past Tuesday throughout the day traveling from the east coast into the midwest.  It looked like it was working a majority of the time, but I'm pretty sure it got confused when we lost signal driving through a mountain tunnel.  We also had to stop a couple of times for charging, food and bio breaks along the way as you might expect on a road trip.  I tried to get everything set back up each time.  Hopefully some data made it to the ABRP server for your use.

All the best!

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7 hours ago, oberlaurent said:

I'm the owner of a 64kw e-niro. I'll try to get an obd and torque to share datas, but i can say niro reference consumption is far lower than the 209wh/km. For a trip of 165 km mainly on hiway I have to set the reference consumption (at 110km/h) at about 157 for going and then 145 for the return, so 151 on average (not using the heater, 2 adults and a chil in the car, not much wind, good conditions). With this values, the planner shows similar results as what the car computer says. (battery level at start and arrival).

I think, using the air conditionner, it would have been about 171 on average... Maybe I'm quite an ecolo-driver... But I don't think I am...

Hope this will help other drivers, waiting for a non-alpha e-niro.

I'll re-run the numbers with the data I have so far this weekend, we may be able to refine the number, my alpha numbers are always intentionally a little pessimistic to allow for error in my estimation.

32 minutes ago, ToddW said:

Hello!

Thanks for the very useful website!

We had a whirlwind of an experience getting our new US model '19 Kia Niro EV (64kW) EX Premium, but we are loving it so far!!  I already had the Torque Pro app, but I got the recommended Torque PIDs added and logging upload setup really quickly on our way back home with the new vehicle, so I'm hoping it worked out.  If it did, you should have gotten a few hours worth of data from a US Kia e-Niro this past Tuesday throughout the day traveling from the east coast into the midwest.  It looked like it was working a majority of the time, but I'm pretty sure it got confused when we lost signal driving through a mountain tunnel.  We also had to stop a couple of times for charging, food and bio breaks along the way as you might expect on a road trip.  I tried to get everything set back up each time.  Hopefully some data made it to the ABRP server for your use.

All the best!

Excellent! If you saw the data live on the website, then we were definitely receiving your data!

How do you like the e-Niro?  I've got a Bolt, but I'd be lying if the smart cruise and other niceties of the Niro didn't tempt me a little bit.

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1 hour ago, Jason (ABRP) said:

I'll re-run the numbers with the data I have so far this weekend, we may be able to refine the number, my alpha numbers are always intentionally a little pessimistic to allow for error in my estimation.

Excellent! If you saw the data live on the website, then we were definitely receiving your data!

How do you like the e-Niro?  I've got a Bolt, but I'd be lying if the smart cruise and other niceties of the Niro didn't tempt me a little bit.

At least for a large part of the trip, our SoC lined up on the webpage display, and it did appear to be transmitting.  I sure hope so!

We've only had it a couple of days now, but we put just under 500 miles on it to bring it home, and have loved it so far!  The Stop & Go Cruise Control was absolutely brilliant in traffic, even coming to a full stop when it needed to.  In normal flow of traffic, it kept following distances consistently and adjusted very well when interrupted by other vehicles.  The Lane Keep & Lane Follow kept it between the lines even in some fairly significant turns, surprisingly.  I've driven a 2018 Leaf with the ProPilot for a very short jaunt and got to test the ProPilot briefly, and I feel like the Niro's implementation worked even better in turns.  On the trip home with the Niro we did lots of "hover" steering to see how the car performed in various situations, and we were impressed.  Lane openings for highway exits were a little awkward a couple of times, but even Tesla reportedly has troubles with some of those.  The Automatic Regeneration settings could be a little strong for one-foot driving at times and took a little getting used to.  Haven't played with the 0-1-2-3 set regen levels yet, but Auto-Regen did fine in the hills.  It's quite an impressive piece of machinery, and the interior is well laid out, comfortable, and is dressed up nicely with a more refined look and feel than one might expect from Kia.  They've done a really good job with this one!

 

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@Jason (ABRP) Here's a logistics question for you...  We'll be making a ~70ish mile interstate road trip (one-way with the corresponding return trip) later this weekend in the Niro. We probably won't need to charge along the way.  I'm trying to figure out if it's worthwhile to send up more data or not? Should we have a route planned via ABRP in order to send the live Torque logs?  Is it more (or less) useful with the planned route set, or does it matter? 

Thanks!

Todd

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