Jason-ABRP Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 To verify and improve our models we need your feedback. There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one: Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used. Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser. Contribute data via OBD or other methods. The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car. Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car: An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro. If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car! Thanks for providing feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) charging curve Edited September 6, 2019 by edgarw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Oh and bare in mind that at 400V charging stations (even HPC if the're limited to 400V), it can only charge at upto 50kW unless it has the "high voltage booster" installed. I really can't understand that Porsche does make this optional, frustration levels will be high for customers, whose dealers didn't know or understand about this. So maybe you should split Taycans to versions with and without the booster. I hope the voltage info is available on all HPC chargers ... https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/04/porsche-taycan-finally-revealed/ "At the 400-volt charging points, which are still more common at present, the charging capacity depends on the equipment of the Taycan. Only 50 kW is possible as standard, even if the station offers more. Those who order a high-voltage booster, for an extra charge of €416,50, can then charge with 150 kW on a DC charger. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason-ABRP Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 Agree that it's very strange of Porsche to leave such a gaping hole on an otherwise excellent car. Just like Chevy's decision to offer a version of the Bolt without any DCFC at all. In any case, I've added "w/ HPC" and "w/o HPC" as selections for the Taycan, and fully agree that there will be confusion in consumers who don't know the difference. Especially when all the 350kW stalls are full, and they get absurdly low charge speeds on the 150kW stalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Really? I didn't know that about the Bolt, Opel didn't do that with the Ampera-E. Totally agree regarding Porsche, great work, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 fullychargedshow's Johnny charging the Taycan, not showing the chargin process itself though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHN Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Porsche Taycan 4S has two battery pack options, Performance Battery (80kWh) and Performance Battery Plus (93kWh, same as Turbo and Turbo S). Do you plan to add the options to the 4S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo-ABRP Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Added! I read the Taycan options list, and the HPC (150 kW) is like €400. Will anyone ever not choose that option? Should we remove the w/o HPC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bo (ABRP) said: Added! I read the Taycan options list, and the HPC (150 kW) is like €400. Will anyone ever not choose that option? Should we remove the w/o HPC? Let it please stay as there will always be dealers too stupid and customers who don't understand ... it's a very weird (to be very polite) decision of Porsche to make this an option. Customers who don't have it will be extremely pissed, once trapped for thrice the time at a 150 kW charger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonB Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) On 11/27/2019 at 6:44 AM, Bo (ABRP) said: Added! I read the Taycan options list, and the HPC (150 kW) is like €400. Will anyone ever not choose that option? Should we remove the w/o HPC? Please do leave the option in. I have had a Bolt EV for 2 years and am familiar with DCFC charging. I have a deposit on a 4S and will probably get HPC but really with the rollout of Electrify America and their Chargers being so much more dense than any other vendor in the USA I would always prefer ending up at EA charger. In which case I would not need the added weight of the larger dc-to-dc converter. Also it's true that 90% of your charging will be done with 240vac anyway for most folks. Only road trips need DCFC generally. I have 240V charging at my workplace and seldom if ever need to even charge at home. Edited December 31, 2019 by RonB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonB Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Charging Curve Data Extracted from the great Alex on Autos review of charging for TFLcars back in September. He charged from 1% to 100%. Usable Pack Energy: 83.7kwh ChgEff 95% Current examples are stepped at rates, not linear. KW Rate SoC kwh Time Elapsed 270 0-30% 26.43 0:05:52 0:05:52 200 30-37% 6.17 0:01:51 0:07:43 150 37-76% 34.36 0:13:45 0:21:28 120 76-80% 3.52 0:01:46 0:23:14 50 80-96% 14.10 0:16:55 0:40:09 20 96-100% 3.52 0:10:34 0:50:43 If this can get updated on ABRP I think that it would be very useful. Ron B - San Jose 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Porsche Taycan 4S 79 kWh (small battery) tests: Range @90 km/h (GPS) and @120 km/h (GPS), resulting in 85 km/h and 113km/h everage (speedometer) respectively Charging curve from Ionity display: 2%: ~200kW climbs up to 28%: 223kW from 29%: 215kW from 32%: 172kW to 57%: 175kW from 58%: 160kW from 60%: 150kW freom 64%: 144kW from 67%: 135kW from 70%: 128kW from 74%: 101kW from 80%: 74kW dropping to 85%: 30kW to 88%: 28kW climbing again to 90%: 39kW+ Video stops there. Also charging at 150kW (920V) charger and 50 kW (400V) charger is recorded, at 50kW ist only gets about 36kW. Differences between Range Mode and other modes: Edited May 23, 2020 by edgarw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...