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Description: Filter/Select (CCS) unique Charging Provider for route r

Use Case: As a user of a charging flat or as a user with a bonus system I want to be able to calculate a route with my preferred charging provider only, so that I do not have to hassle and loose time with 100000trillions of (CCS) charging stations I cannot use while manually scrolling and searching in the map while all charging stations need endless time in a calculation process, which I do not want nor saves efficient commuting power on the website. 

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On 7/9/2019 at 8:34 AM, limpel said:

Description: Filter/Select (CCS) unique Charging Provider for route r

Use Case: As a user of a charging flat or as a user with a bonus system I want to be able to calculate a route with my preferred charging provider only, so that I do not have to hassle and loose time with 100000trillions of (CCS) charging stations I cannot use while manually scrolling and searching in the map while all charging stations need endless time in a calculation process, which I do not want nor saves efficient commuting power on the website. 

Remember, the more details you can add, the faster we can build out new features!

As a workaround until we find time to implement this, you can currently select a preferred provider by finding one of your favorite stations and selecting "Prefer [network] chargers", which will add a bonus score to routes through those chargers when planning.  

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Thats right and i also thought that can be a workaround, but someone that Method Seems Not to „force“ These Providers. If at least a Route with another Provider is somehow faster, it Seems that abetterrouteplanner then prefers other Chargers.

So it would be way better to implement a additional „Force Provider XYZ“ Funktion Next to the „prefer Function“, to make sure to bind abetterroute Planning to a specific Provider. If then a Route cannot be plannend, then the prefer method can happily assist.

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On 8/10/2019 at 5:37 PM, limpel said:

Thats right and i also thought that can be a workaround, but someone that Method Seems Not to „force“ These Providers. If at least a Route with another Provider is somehow faster, it Seems that abetterrouteplanner then prefers other Chargers.

So it would be way better to implement a additional „Force Provider XYZ“ Funktion Next to the „prefer Function“, to make sure to bind abetterroute Planning to a specific Provider. If then a Route cannot be plannend, then the prefer method can happily assist.

Perhaps our "preferred" bonus is not enough.  We treat your preferred chargers as if they charge ~30% faster than they actually do, but we have several tuning parameters.  If there is a substantially faster charger available, we'll route you there instead.  Keeping in mind, of course, that we only use the max speed your car can charge.  So if your car is limited to 50kW, you will receive no bonus between a 75 or 150kW charger, as it makes no difference for your car.

We would very much rather avoid "forcing" a particular network, as it would very often result in impossible plans.

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Maybe "avoid XYZ charger" is an option?
For example a trip from Germany to Portugal via France and Spain with "avoid CORRI-DOOR chargers" and "avoid IBIL chargers" would be nice. I want use CCS (like Ionity, Iberdrola) but not this two charger networks, because they are expensive and I do not have a possibility (App/RFID) to use them...

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On 8/12/2019 at 3:44 AM, Jason (ABRP) said:

Perhaps our "preferred" bonus is not enough.  We treat your preferred chargers as if they charge ~30% faster than they actually do, but we have several tuning parameters.  If there is a substantially faster charger available, we'll route you there instead.  Keeping in mind, of course, that we only use the max speed your car can charge.  So if your car is limited to 50kW, you will receive no bonus between a 75 or 150kW charger, as it makes no difference for your car.

We would very much rather avoid "forcing" a particular network, as it would very often result in impossible plans.

Ah understood, Makes more Sense now. In my usecase i want to travel from very south Germany to very North via network „ladenetz“. In that case there are only 2 chargers which are delivering more than 150kw. i can Travel the Route if i charge the car approx. to 95% each Time at both „ladenetz“ chargers (Model 3 Lr RWD 18“ Aero). As charge rate decrease heavily over 90% SOC, it Seems this Bonus gets eaten up be Charger networks from other providers e.g. ionity where I may only would have charged to only ~50%.

Seems that the „preferred Bonus“ in my usecase may Really could benefit from Tuning. As of today, a better Route Planer does Never give me the Chance to only charge with These two Chargers on the Route (also if i select them manually as waypoint), the Tool instead will try to use ionity or other Networks to save travel Time. Unfortunately this only saves me 12min on a 880km Trip.  If there is a „tune Update prefered Provider Option“ or whatever May be useful to allow that abettereouteplanner does only recognizes the pre-selected Provider of my active Choice - than i am happy about It. I also have the feeling that the matter of @Eugenius would also benefit in here.

it would also be ok to receive a Message like „Route is Not do-able with your Choice, please try Auto-routing without provider fixation“ if Route planning fails.

As said, i only wanted to bring it up as an optional setting for the use case of e.g. flatrate users on a specific network. In this usecase other prefered networks may are unfortunately not really a good alternative and the users actively using this option should be happy to understand if or if not they can do the travel with the network/provider fixation 🙂 

 

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Just like to add my voice. I'd really like feature turned on it's head in the UK too. i.e. Exclude Network, rather than Prefer Network.

Many networks only give access once you've registered, and honestly there are just too many networks. You can't be a member of all of them, plus a lot of the newer ones you don't have to be a member (Ionity, Instavolt, Shell, etc). I'm finding this particularly true when a local council has struck a deal with a company for chargers, but it's a company you've never heard of anywhere else in the country and are really expensive or unavailable to visitors (e.g. Source London. Tons of chargers I don't want to touch.  You might as well buy petrol at those prices.). You travel to an area and just get plagued with them. I just want to filter these networks out as they come up, rather than having to prefer everything else.

...And then you've got ecotricity, who have the worst reputation for non-working chargers. I just don't want to bother. Any plan with them in gets redone. They need a "NO" button.

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Hi paul, I think you are starting another use case here. In this thread It was supposed that there are thousands of networks which then are way too many to get them excluded by hand. So therefor just bind to one network as a one click solution for people who know what they are doing and to save time.

on the other hand if you only want to exlude a small numbers of providers, your idea also has its Benefits.

I‘d therefore say let’s implement both options rather than beating up what’s best 😛 in the end, your function seems like a button-side up implementation of my suggestion and other way round.

 

Benefits here depending on the specific use case e.g. (A) bind flatrate + hpc charge providers or (B) exclude insufficient providers in the overall route planning process. This implemented in the „more options“ Menü per (A) bind on Route and (B) exclude on Route Dropdown with simple „tick in the box“ of the Provider list and everything is a dreamer.

 

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I'd say that when I have a network I don't want to use... I'm absolute about it. It's either not available to me, or I don't trust it to be working so I'm not going to make a plan with it. For a network that I want to use, it's more of a preference. I'm a member so get good prices, or something like that. It's not critical I use it, I'd just prefer to.

So for me, having preferred network is fine as it is, but excluding networks should be a hard rule.

I guess where we ending up is the "Prefer this network" button. becoming a "Set network preference" button, behind which you can select from a few positive and negative options.

  • Use only this Network
  • Prefer this Network
  • I don't care
  • Avoid this Network
  • Never use this Network

 

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We like that proposal too. Just released an update with everything included except "avoid this network" which seemed likely not to be used often. 

How does it work for you?

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Seems to work great for my use case. I'm getting better solutions now that I'm filter out what I don't want, vs. preferring a few that I do. It's giving the tool more options.

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I see many people use tesla wall charger (not super charger) with convertor to charge none tesla cars. Why can't I select tesla wall charger on other cars during mapping the route?

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On 9/10/2019 at 11:54 PM, SeanM1 said:

I see many people use tesla wall charger (not super charger) with convertor to charge none tesla cars. Why can't I select tesla wall charger on other cars during mapping the route?

You can manually add a Tesla wall connector to your route fairly easily, just enable it in the map filters (Right hand side of the map, plug icon).  For automatic planning, we only want to include the plugs that we know are compatible with your car.

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