Sameless Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Driving Model: Option 1 - Analytical - Provide the mathematical parameters to define the car model (See this blog post for details). Option 2 - Data-Driven - Perform driving test at multiple speeds, and record efficiency or power draw from the pack. Option 3 - Direct Car Connection - Provide method of receiving telemetry directly from the car via OBD, API, or other means. Charging Model: Charge Curve - Provide a link to a chart or video detailing the charge power over time or by State of Charge % Please add new Skoda Citigo-e IV 38,6 kWh Battery 0-80% SOC 60 min (DC50/100kW) (linear curve!) Consumption @110 km/h - 14,6 kWh per 100 km Car is limited to 130 km/h Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 The Skoda is one of the cars with the shortest time to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason-ABRP Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 On 5/28/2019 at 7:04 AM, Sameless said: Please add new Skoda Citigo-e IV 38,6 kWh Battery 0-80% SOC 60 min (DC50/100kW) (linear curve!) Consumption @110 km/h - 14,6 kWh per 100 km Car is limited to 130 km/h Thank you! On 8/2/2019 at 5:16 AM, logic said: The Skoda is one of the cars with the shortest time to be released. I'd be happy to add the Citigo-e IV, but I need a bit more information about it first: Is 38,6kWh the usable or total capacity of the battery? How much does it weigh? What kind of charge plugs does it support? @logic - numbers like what you gave me for the e208 would be perfect! If you can give me a few of those parameters I can fill in the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 It has the same specs as the updated VW e-Up (and the electric Seat Mii) https://www.heise.de/autos/artikel/VW-e-Up-Kommt-weiter-kostet-weniger-4514695.html 32.3 kWh net capacity, 36.8 kWh gross. Old e-Up: ca. 16.4 kWh net, 18.7 kWh gross. Charging speed is only mentioned as "about one hour to 80%", WLTP range (not finallized) is 260 km (Skoda says 265 km), which would result in 12.42 kWh/100km consumption without charging losses. Prelimnary data from Skoda: https://www.skoda-auto.de/news/news-detail/citigo-e-iv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotYet Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 The first Citigo-e iV apparently has made its way into the hand of testers. Here's a timelapse that shows CCS charging at an Ionity 350kW charger: Conditions were: 3°C outside car stored in warm showroom before drive 200km driven at about 100km/h until empty, then charged https://youtu.be/fX2ZXqm1Smw?t=67 The same user also has a timelapse of the drive before the charging process: https://youtu.be/bdQZxg1qLGU?t=301 This should be usable for the new e-UP and the Mii electric as well, as they share the drivetrain and pretty much the chassis as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotYet Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 8/4/2019 at 6:14 PM, Jason (ABRP) said: How much does it weigh? What kind of charge plugs does it support? The car weighs between 1235 and 1265kg according to the datasheet, which includes a 75kg driver. It comes standard with a Type 2 AC port that supports 2 (sic!) phase charging at 16A which results in 7.2kW power delivered. A CCS connector is available as an option and come as standard with the higher trim level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Citigo-e iV (and by logic it's brethren e-Up and Mii) seems to consume way less than calculated. This guy starts at 98% and GOM 348km (claims 99% and 352km in the resumee that starts at 16:07min) in Posener Straße, Vlotho and has 30% left when charge starts at Ionity (at 15:50min). 15°C, dry road, average speed 82 km/h accorind to the app (16:53min), driving time ist 2h35m, consumption 100 Wh/km. Using ABRP, I get the same driving time with 88 km/h and 100% reference speed. 1% battery degradation (can't set 0%), With an addidtional weight of 0kg and reference consumption of 161 Wh/km @110 km/h, ABRP calculates arrival at 15%. ABRP calculates 212 km, not 210 km as he states. https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=6a8951c0-0473-4c5e-9110-79c70c39148f Changing reference consumption to 132 Wh/km @110 km/h yields the same result he achieved: 30% battery remaining https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=88081422-9cf7-440b-8163-b0b5d4af0064 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Ah and at 8:46 he says that he has 3.1 bar tire pressure, Skoda standard alloy rims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotYet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Yes, I know. What kind of logs / data are necessary to improve ABRP regarding this car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotYet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 *sigh* - my post above was deleted by a mod, so, once again, hopefully without any chance for misunderstandings. I do own a citigo now, I do have a working ELM327-Bluetooth-adapter and I am able to record HV-system specific data from the car. What can I do to help improve the support for this car in ABRP? The current simulation model desperately needs support for degrading charging curves when repeatedly CCS charging in hot weather. A 500km trip I took last weekend resulted in 7 to 10kW CCS charging instead of 35kW after the second stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryH Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 @notyet: can you get the live data with e.g. Torque Pro? if that is working it should become possible to create a live data interface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotYet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) I think that should be possible. I own a Torque Pro license, so I'll get back to you regarding that when I've made sure I can get the right values from the car with Torque. Edited July 3, 2020 by NotYet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotYet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Does anyone see any problem with this PID list that would cause it to not import properly in Torque? https://pastebin.com/tE06WmYT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryH Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 @NotYetplease use another topic to figure out live data etc. this topic is supposed to be about charging characteristics. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
