[New Car] Skoda Citigo-e iV

[Sameless]

Driving Model:

Option 1 - Analytical - Provide the mathematical parameters to define the car model (See this blog post for details).

Option 2 - Data-Driven - Perform driving test at multiple speeds, and record efficiency or power draw from the pack.

Option 3 - Direct Car Connection - Provide method of receiving telemetry directly from the car via OBD, API, or other means.

Charging Model:

Charge Curve - Provide a link to a chart or video detailing the charge power over time or by State of Charge %

Please add new Skoda Citigo-e IV

38,6 kWh Battery

0-80% SOC 60 min (DC50/100kW) (linear curve!)

Consumption @110 km/h - 14,6 kWh per 100 km

Car is limited to 130 km/h

Thank you!

 

[logic]

The Skoda is one of the cars with the shortest time to be released.

[Jason-ABRP]

On 5/28/2019 at 7:04 AM, Sameless said:

Please add new Skoda Citigo-e IV

38,6 kWh Battery

0-80% SOC 60 min (DC50/100kW) (linear curve!)

Consumption @110 km/h - 14,6 kWh per 100 km

Car is limited to 130 km/h

Thank you!

 

 

On 8/2/2019 at 5:16 AM, logic said:

The Skoda is one of the cars with the shortest time to be released.

I'd be happy to add the Citigo-e IV, but I need a bit more information about it first:

1. Is 38,6kWh the usable or total capacity of the battery?
2. How much does it weigh?
3. What kind of charge plugs does it support?

@logic - numbers like what you gave me for the e208 would be perfect!  If you can give me a few of those parameters I can fill in the rest.

[edgarw]

It has the same specs as the updated VW e-Up (and the electric Seat Mii)

https://www.heise.de/autos/artikel/VW-e-Up-Kommt-weiter-kostet-weniger-4514695.html

32.3 kWh net capacity, 36.8 kWh gross.

Old e-Up: ca. 16.4 kWh net, 18.7 kWh gross.

Charging speed is only mentioned as "about one hour to 80%", WLTP range (not finallized) is 260 km (Skoda says 265 km), which would result in 12.42 kWh/100km consumption without charging losses.

Prelimnary data from Skoda: https://www.skoda-auto.de/news/news-detail/citigo-e-iv

[NotYet]

The first Citigo-e iV apparently has made its way into the hand of testers. Here's a timelapse that shows CCS charging at an Ionity 350kW charger:

Conditions were:

• 3°C outside
• car stored in warm showroom before drive
• 200km driven at about 100km/h until empty, then charged

https://youtu.be/fX2ZXqm1Smw?t=67

The same user also has a timelapse of the drive before the charging process:

https://youtu.be/bdQZxg1qLGU?t=301

This should be usable for the new e-UP and the Mii electric as well, as they share the drivetrain and pretty much the chassis as well.

[NotYet]

On 8/4/2019 at 6:14 PM, Jason (ABRP) said:

• How much does it weigh?
• What kind of charge plugs does it support?

The car weighs between 1235 and 1265kg according to the datasheet, which includes a 75kg driver.

It comes standard with a Type 2 AC port that supports 2 (sic!) phase charging at 16A which results in 7.2kW power delivered. A CCS connector is available as an option and come as standard with the higher trim level.

[edgarw]

Citigo-e iV (and by logic it's brethren e-Up and Mii) seems to consume way less than calculated.

This guy starts at 98% and GOM 348km (claims 99% and 352km in the resumee that starts at 16:07min) in Posener Straße, Vlotho and has 30% left when charge starts at Ionity (at 15:50min). 15°C, dry road, average speed 82 km/h accorind to the app (16:53min), driving time ist 2h35m, consumption 100 Wh/km. Using ABRP, I get the same driving time with 88 km/h and 100% reference speed. 1% battery degradation (can't set 0%), With an addidtional weight of 0kg and reference consumption of 161 Wh/km @110 km/h, ABRP calculates arrival at 15%. ABRP calculates 212 km, not 210 km as he states.

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=6a8951c0-0473-4c5e-9110-79c70c39148f

Changing reference consumption to 132 Wh/km @110 km/h yields the same result he achieved: 30% battery remaining
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=88081422-9cf7-440b-8163-b0b5d4af0064

 

[edgarw]

Ah and at 8:46 he says that he has 3.1 bar tire pressure, Skoda standard alloy rims.

[NotYet]

Yes, I know. What kind of logs / data are necessary to improve ABRP regarding this car?

[NotYet]

*sigh* - my post above was deleted by a mod, so, once again, hopefully without any chance for misunderstandings.

I do own a citigo now, I do have a working ELM327-Bluetooth-adapter and I am able to record HV-system specific data from the car. What can I do to help improve the support for this car in ABRP?

The current simulation model desperately needs support for degrading charging curves when repeatedly CCS charging in hot weather. A 500km trip I took last weekend resulted in 7 to 10kW CCS charging instead of 35kW after the second stop.

[BarryH]

@notyet: can you get the live data with e.g. Torque Pro?

if that is working it should become possible to create a live data interface

[NotYet]

I think that should be possible. I own a Torque Pro license, so I'll get back to you regarding that when I've made sure I can get the right values from the car with Torque.

Edited July 3, 2020 by NotYet

[NotYet]

Does anyone see any problem with this PID list that would cause it to not import properly in Torque?

 

https://pastebin.com/tE06WmYT

[BarryH]

@NotYetplease use another topic to figure out live data etc. this topic is supposed to be about charging characteristics. Thanks