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Been toying with ABRP for a while but could always work it out better in my head. However, I have just purchased OVMS for MGZSEV. I have also subscribed to premium on ABRP. It seems to be working really well with the live data from the car.

My question, and I have searched, is does ABRP change the plan as situations change? Say you are going to a charger and someone takes it 10minutes before your arrival will ABRP change to another charger? Or what if you are doing better it worse than expected will it amend the original plan?

 

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I just returned from a round trip Ohio->Florida and saw zero evidence of dynamic routing to account for unexpected consumption due to weather or whatever nor for traffic. 

I decided to cancel my subscription even though I will be doing this trip several times per year. The map redrawing squirreliness and setting variables on the iPhone app and lack of rerouting killed my interest in paying monthly for this.

I will say the preplanning support on a PC is pretty good. 

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The lack of Dynamic updates even in the premium version is definitely a problem, as it turns an unusable charger or an unscheduled road closure into a significant pain in the butt, particularly as it is illegal to use a mobile phone whilst driving. We seem to have a multitude of apps available to us, but none actually is the complete package. Could we not not get all the individual developers to sit in the same room together and devise the ultimate EV app? To have ABRP with dynamic updates and to have a similar 'live nearest charge points display' as in Wattsapp would be wonderful instead of having to keep switching between apps.

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We actually always recalculate the route and check if there is a faster route available. So in terms of full charger we do not directly send you to a new charger, but check if there is another charger nearby that could be used as alternative, and then show it as an alternative route if it makes sense. Just ignoring full chargers is not a very good idea, as on a multi stall location a charger will free up pretty quick normally and also sometimes the state of live data is delayed on some networks.

I was in a situation myself already where all 4 stalls on an Ionity (we get realtime updates here) charger were full 10 mins before arrival at the charger and then when i arrived only one other person was charging and the others left already. As this situation can change pretty fast it does not make much sense, to send you to another charger much in advance (that actually could also be full by the time you arrive).

To minimize the chances of arriving at an occupied charger i would propose to set a higher stalls per location value so chances are higher there is a free stall. However other people might do the same and then those locations could get more crowded than a one or two stall location. Also on many places there are multiple operators at one location, so it makes sense to check some of the charge stops more in detail in advance if it has more stalles from other networks which could also help in reducing chances of occupied chargers.

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When you ignore a charging station ABRP keep trying to go back to that specific charger. Even when you are already past multiple other chargers which are even bigger. It should be great if ABRP picks a new charger along the planned trip instead of trying to go back.

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On 12/4/2021 at 5:18 PM, Samuel-ABRP said:

We actually always recalculate the route and check if there is a faster route available. So in terms of full charger we do not directly send you to a new charger, but check if there is another charger nearby that could be used as alternative, and then show it as an alternative route if it makes sense. Just ignoring full chargers is not a very good idea, as on a multi stall location a charger will free up pretty quick normally and also sometimes the state of live data is delayed on some networks.

I was in a situation myself already where all 4 stalls on an Ionity (we get realtime updates here) charger were full 10 mins before arrival at the charger and then when i arrived only one other person was charging and the others left already. As this situation can change pretty fast it does not make much sense, to send you to another charger much in advance (that actually could also be full by the time you arrive).

To minimize the chances of arriving at an occupied charger i would propose to set a higher stalls per location value so chances are higher there is a free stall. However other people might do the same and then those locations could get more crowded than a one or two stall location. Also on many places there are multiple operators at one location, so it makes sense to check some of the charge stops more in detail in advance if it has more stalles from other networks which could also help in reducing chances of occupied chargers.

Does not address the OP's question. Buying a premium subscription does not seem to guarantee helpful support.

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Hi @Doonser, the OP asked, if we route to another charger, if it is occupied. I explained our behaviour which actually answers that question. Is there anything you miss I should explain in more detail?

Maybe my explanation was not accurate enough, we actually refresh the plan regularily, and we also consider changes in consumption, traffic and so on. However the charger itself is a fixed part of the route, and will only be changed if you select a proposed alternative - which will be proposed if for example the charger is full shortly before your arrival. However we do not automatically switch the charger.

Is it more clear now?

The forum btw is not the right place for asking for support. It is just a forum for our community.

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No. In fact, when I arrived at a station that had been dead for almost a year, the app routed me back in the direction I had come from. It made me drive 40 miles back towards my departure, charge up, and then drive the same 40 miles again. There was a charging station 10 miles ahead (in the direction of my destination) that it had showed when I was replotting my plan, but it ignored that once I started and made me retrace my steps. This added three hours to my trip because the battery started to heat up from the extra and unnecessary charge. 90 minutes for going backwards, and 90 because I had to reduce my speed to keep my battery from overheating because of the extra unplanned charge. The only way to avoid this is to create a plan one leg at a time, and even then I could only do that if I knew ABRP was going to give me inaccurate info. I paid for a premium subscription for what???

 

In short, your app may show alternative routes, but it doesn't let me choose them. What's the point? 

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3 hours ago, Samuel-ABRP said:

Hi @Doonser, the OP asked, if we route to another charger, if it is occupied. I explained our behaviour which actually answers that question. Is there anything you miss I should explain in more detail?

Maybe my explanation was not accurate enough, we actually refresh the plan regularily, and we also consider changes in consumption, traffic and so on. However the charger itself is a fixed part of the route, and will only be changed if you select a proposed alternative - which will be proposed if for example the charger is full shortly before your arrival. However we do not automatically switch the charger.

Is it more clear now?

The forum btw is not the right place for asking for support. It is just a forum for our community.

Is traffic also taken into account for dynamic routing? I do not see dynamic routing in any of the abrp's feature sets, neither at the premium feature sets.

Also, i want to ask you where to contact support then? I do not see a option on your website or app except the forum, twitter, facebook etc.

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Occupied or dead, if ABRP shows alternate routes, why doesn't it let me choose one of them? ABRP always forces me to use the first one it chooses, which is not always accurate. It usually shows my SOC as somewhere between what the vehicle itself shows (e.g. 20%) and my LeafSpy app shows (e.g. 30%). I tend to trust LeafSpy as it's been the most accurate of the three. So sometimes I want to use an alternate based on my actual SOC. 

I asked the question here because I wanted there to be a record for other members who have the same problems. 

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On 7/6/2022 at 6:31 PM, Borgqueenx said:

Is traffic also taken into account for dynamic routing? I do not see dynamic routing in any of the abrp's feature sets, neither at the premium feature sets.

Also, i want to ask you where to contact support then? I do not see a option on your website or app except the forum, twitter, facebook etc.

You can get to the support section, when you get into the settings and scroll down to the bottom on phone, or use the footer on web.

Traffic is also considered, for example closed roads if we get them early enough. We use HERE traffic, so just check HERER Wego and find a place where a road is closed and you should be able to notice on ABRP that it tries to avoid that road. For example here:
https://wego.here.com/directions/drive/Old-Shoreham-Road,-Lancing,-BN15-0,-Vereinigtes-Königreich:50.83922,-0.30794/94-Warren-Road,-Worthing,-BN14-9QX,-Vereinigtes-Königreich:50.83648,-0.38600?map=50.82625,-0.35046,14,normal&msg=94 Warren Road&avoid=carHOV

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c915df54-79b5-4183-8585-fc1f2ea2e7d9

However live traffic is a premium feature. So you will only see it if you have a premium subscription.

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On 7/6/2022 at 6:53 PM, Doonser said:

Occupied or dead, if ABRP shows alternate routes, why doesn't it let me choose one of them? ABRP always forces me to use the first one it chooses, which is not always accurate. It usually shows my SOC as somewhere between what the vehicle itself shows (e.g. 20%) and my LeafSpy app shows (e.g. 30%). I tend to trust LeafSpy as it's been the most accurate of the three. So sometimes I want to use an alternate based on my actual SOC. 

I asked the question here because I wanted there to be a record for other members who have the same problems. 

If you see any problems that you think do not work as intended you should instead contact support. 

We do not always propose alternatives, however if you want to force a recalculation to also see other options, like more far away or earlier chargers, you can always click on the "alternative" button, which will trigger a manual charger search and route recalculation with different parameters.

I think we added a SoC adjustment for LeafSpy in the early days, as it wasn't quite accurate back then. Maybe you can provide us more details on that in a support request so we can look into it.

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Yes, I can trigger alternate routes, but ABRP doesn't let me choose them. I can click on an alternate, but ABRP will always default back to the original suggested route. 

Thanks for your reply though. When I write support, it takes at least three days to get a reply. Sometimes I never get one. 

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20 hours ago, Samuel-ABRP said:

 

You can get to the support section, when you get into the settings and scroll down to the bottom on phone, or use the footer on web.

Traffic is also considered, for example closed roads if we get them early enough. We use HERE traffic, so just check HERER Wego and find a place where a road is closed and you should be able to notice on ABRP that it tries to avoid that road. For example here:
https://wego.here.com/directions/drive/Old-Shoreham-Road,-Lancing,-BN15-0,-Vereinigtes-Königreich:50.83922,-0.30794/94-Warren-Road,-Worthing,-BN14-9QX,-Vereinigtes-Königreich:50.83648,-0.38600?map=50.82625,-0.35046,14,normal&msg=94 Warren Road&avoid=carHOV

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c915df54-79b5-4183-8585-fc1f2ea2e7d9

However live traffic is a premium feature. So you will only see it if you have a premium subscription.

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Sorry for kinda hijacking this thread, but that button does not work for contacting ABRP.

Clicking that button, i get the options:
1. Give feedback. Which optionally collects data, then asks me who i want to share this small txt of info with. (send-to command, where i can select any app like whatsapp/mail/telegram/document viewer etc)

2. Report a bugg. goes to the bug tracker. (yes- report a bugg with 2 g's)

3. Suggestions. Goes to the feature request page.

4. Find help in our forum.

5. Correct a translation.

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8 minutes ago, Borgqueenx said:

Sorry for kinda hijacking this thread, but that button does not work for contacting ABRP.

Clicking that button, i get the options:
1. Give feedback. Which optionally collects data, then asks me who i want to share this small txt of info with. (send-to command, where i can select any app like whatsapp/mail/telegram/document viewer etc)

2. Report a bugg. goes to the bug tracker. (yes- report a bugg with 2 g's)

3. Suggestions. Goes to the feature request page.

4. Find help in our forum.

5. Correct a translation.


Option number one should open the mail app, if not, select your desired mail app and an email including data helpful to us (app version, platform, user id, link to latest plan) will be generated which you then can add a description of the issue to.

Which language do you have selected when we display 'bugg' with two g's?

/Katya

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5 minutes ago, Katya-ABRP said:


Option number one should open the mail app, if not, select your desired mail app and an email including data helpful to us (app version, platform, user id, link to latest plan) will be generated which you then can add a description of the issue to.

Which language do you have selected when we display 'bugg' with two g's?

/Katya

If i select my email, it will add the ABRP email address automatically. But it is not standard, i can also open it with whatsapp for example. It should perhaps be a bit more clear how to really get in touch with you guys... Feedback is also not really "getting in touch" and expecting a reply back.

Also on my language (dutch, which contains a lot english as well) the button says "tell us what you think" when i translate it back to english.

 

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On 7/8/2022 at 7:33 PM, Borgqueenx said:

If i select my email, it will add the ABRP email address automatically. But it is not standard, i can also open it with whatsapp for example. It should perhaps be a bit more clear how to really get in touch with you guys... Feedback is also not really "getting in touch" and expecting a reply back.

Also on my language (dutch, which contains a lot english as well) the button says "tell us what you think" when i translate it back to english.

 

I could suggest submitting this as a bug report where you also specify the make and model of your device and OS version. It is not something we've come across before but it should of course be apparent which type of app you're supposed to be sent to.

As for the 'Feedback' button, this is intentionally shown to non-premium users as we still only guarantee replies to premium users. That said, with the restructuring of how we handle bug reports and feature requests as well as better error messages for plans that failed due to issues in settings, we've become much more responsive.

You mean the 'Feedback' button says 'Tell us what you think?' if you switch to Dutch and then back to English? (It was the previous name for it, so sounds like an old translation string being used). 

It is also possible to contribute to translations, more information can be found here: https://github.com/iternio/abrp-translations

/Katya

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On 7/8/2022 at 12:49 AM, Samuel-ABRP said:

If it doesn't show alternatives, maybe the planner does not find any? How do you know there are alternatives?

Samuel,

You didn't understand my point. It DOES show alternatives. If I tap on the little icon that looks like two roads diverging (same as the Google Maps icon for viewing your route from a different angle) I get a list of alternate routes. I can tap on an item in the list and see which routes suit my needs. But it doesn't let me use them. It just lets me look at them. Screenshot_20220712-210244_ABRP.thumb.jpg.b06a475a9e3c4911be9da1550ab40577.jpg

And yeah, Borgqueenx, you totally hijacked this thread, and Katya went along with it instead of bumping it.

 

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