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To verify and improve our models we need your feedback.  There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one:

  • Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used.
  • Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser.
  • Contribute data via OBD or other methods.

The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car.  Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car:

  • An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro.
  • If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla

If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car!

Thanks for providing feedback!

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Hello,

the ID3 is now announced with the netto-capacities of the battery for the Long Range with 77 kWh, Mid Range 58 kWh and Standard Range 49 kWh.

Perhaps you like to use the netto-data for the alpha ID3 in your car-selection? Kind regards, Bernhard

 
 
 

 

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16 hours ago, Loewuppel said:

Hello,

the ID3 is now announced with the netto-capacities of the battery for the Long Range with 77 kWh, Mid Range 58 kWh and Standard Range 49 kWh.

 Perhaps you like to use the netto-data for the alpha ID3 in your car-selection? Kind regards, Bernhard

 
 
 

 

Done! 

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Hello Jason,

from the IAA Frankfurt there is new information about the id.3.

The ranges are for 45 kWh 330km, 58 kWh 420km, 77 kWh 550km. The maximum speed is 160 km/h.

The empty weight is 1.794 kg. The frontal area is 2.36 square meters, the cW value is 0,267. AC can be charged with 11kW and DC with 100kW (the 77kWh battery with 125kW). In half an hour you can recharge with DC a range of 290 km.

I hope the new data will help you implement the id.3 in your route planner.

Kind regards, Bernhard

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2 hours ago, Loewuppel said:

Hello Jason,

from the IAA Frankfurt there is new information about the id.3.

The ranges are for 45 kWh 330km, 58 kWh 420km, 77 kWh 550km. The maximum speed is 160 km/h.

The empty weight is 1.794 kg. The frontal area is 2.36 square meters, the cW value is 0,267. AC can be charged with 11kW and DC with 100kW (the 77kWh battery with 125kW). In half an hour you can recharge with DC a range of 290 km.

I hope the new data will help you implement the id.3 in your route planner.

Kind regards, Bernhard

We've already updated the planner with the new figures from the Frankfurt Auto Show, thanks for the extra data points, we'll double check them against our models!

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Hi, there will be an upped charging option for €€ for the small battery in ID.3, see table in the linked article. That article is about a power bump option, but the charging option (CCS 50kW -> 100 kW) was mentioned before, I just didn't have the link. Also, the small battery will have an option (guess it'll be the same package) for three- vs two-phase charging, raising it from 7.2 to 11 kW AC, just like the two bigger battery versions. Would have to search for the AC part, but seen it before in more than one place.

Edit - I think, this is important as I can show people with small budget that they can do occasional longer trips at not-so-shabby speed aswell.

https://www.electrive.net/2019/12/19/vw-kuendigt-id-3-pro-power-an/

 

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Hi again, please add the higher charging speed option for the ID.3 Pure 45kWh
It's a definitve fact, listed e.g in the table here: https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/vw/vw-id-3/

45 kWh: "AC-Laden mit 7,4 kW (Basisversion), sonst 11 kW, DC-Laden mit CCS-Stecker mit bis zu 50 kW (Serie) und bis zu 100 kW (Aufpreis)"

translated:

45 kWh: "AC charging with 7.4 kW (basic version), otherwise 11 kW, DC charging with CCS connector with up to 50 kW (standard) and up to 100 kW (surcharge)"

Also mentioned here: https://de.motor1.com/news/369580/vw-id3-enthullt-serienversion/

Ah and finally an article in english: https://www.electrive.com/2019/12/19/volkswagen-announces-id-3-pro-power/

Please add this option, it's essential for people, who only want or can afford a small battery but plan the occasional long (e.g. holiday) trip.

 

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@Jason (ABRP) nothing more specific yet, it seems. Only "so and so many km in 30 minutes" numbers, not even specifying which battery that's based on. 290km in 30 minutes for the 58kWh battery I think ... but thats's so rough, I wouldn't caculate with this. I'd have to dig for those numbers. And I'll have to change my e-mail notifications it seems 🙂 ah there it is: "Notify me of replies" - checked!

Maybe, for the small battery and 100 kW option you can for a start just take the 58 kWh curve and multiply it by 45/58 ... or something like that...

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The charging curve of an ID.3, recorded by an anonymous sender to Nextnews!. Charging start was at 43% with 67 kW, ended at 90% with just under 31 kW. Not seen on any other EV yet: the charging curve decline almost linearly, rather than in steps, so the control obviously is much finer than with any competing vehicle.

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I´ll get my ID.3 in a couple of weeks, and as a ABRP premium user with ODB2 adapter, I´m open to help you as much as possible. Anyone know here the OBD2 port is? I´ll try on ID.3 tonight from the dealership.

If you need support with this Jason, Im keen to help.

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Tonight I´m borrowing the ID.3 again for a "short" return trip to Gothenburg. I have prepared all the hardware and will try again to read out the interesting PIDs from the OBDII port.

I´ll get back with more info tomorrow.

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Yesterday I managed to play around with the OBDII port. I managed to read the SOC after a short time of testing. So Im pretty confident that it will be able to read out all the values that we need for it to work online with ABRP. 

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On 10/13/2020 at 4:00 PM, conny said:

Yesterday I managed to play around with the OBDII port. I managed to read the SOC after a short time of testing. So Im pretty confident that it will be able to read out all the values that we need for it to work online with ABRP. 

Do you have a list of PIDs? 

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@Jason (ABRP)

I just checked a bit the network traffic of MyVolkswagen website and found following info about SOC.
It seems the data is updated every 2min if the car is online and data is changing - currently I try to run the aircon from my app on 25°C and observe...

It seems after too many requests the car stops to respond, it gives a message to start/stop it - I guess it is because of battery saving. Also the auth token used is only valid for 30min or so and I did not find out yet how one can generate a new one...

https://cardata.apps.emea.vwapps.io/veh ... uel/status

One needs an authorization bearer (can be found in the requests of the web site) and your user-id as header key (can also be found in the requests) 

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I am no web dev and I do not know if and how this can be put in an automatic process - maybe ABRP or EVNotify can use it somehow ?!

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On 4/20/2019 at 7:53 PM, Jason (ABRP) said:

To verify and improve our models we need your feedback.  There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one:

  • Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used.
  • Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser.
  • Contribute data via OBD or other methods.

The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car.  Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car:

  • An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro.
  • If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla

If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car!

Thanks for providing feedback!

@Jason (ABRP) could you please explain how to use the second option, 

  • Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser.

And will that uppdate the car calculation model also?

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