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  • An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro.
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Hello,

the ID3 is now announced with the netto-capacities of the battery for the Long Range with 77 kWh, Mid Range 58 kWh and Standard Range 49 kWh.

Perhaps you like to use the netto-data for the alpha ID3 in your car-selection? Kind regards, Bernhard

 
 
 

 

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16 hours ago, Loewuppel said:

Hello,

the ID3 is now announced with the netto-capacities of the battery for the Long Range with 77 kWh, Mid Range 58 kWh and Standard Range 49 kWh.

 Perhaps you like to use the netto-data for the alpha ID3 in your car-selection? Kind regards, Bernhard

 
 
 

 

Done! 

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Hello Jason,

thank you for your spontaneous reaction. I have to correct the number for the Standard Range. According to the vw press conference from 9.5.2019 this is netto 45 kWh. Kind regards, Bernhard

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Hello Jason,

from the IAA Frankfurt there is new information about the id.3.

The ranges are for 45 kWh 330km, 58 kWh 420km, 77 kWh 550km. The maximum speed is 160 km/h.

The empty weight is 1.794 kg. The frontal area is 2.36 square meters, the cW value is 0,267. AC can be charged with 11kW and DC with 100kW (the 77kWh battery with 125kW). In half an hour you can recharge with DC a range of 290 km.

I hope the new data will help you implement the id.3 in your route planner.

Kind regards, Bernhard

Edited by Loewuppel

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2 hours ago, Loewuppel said:

Hello Jason,

from the IAA Frankfurt there is new information about the id.3.

The ranges are for 45 kWh 330km, 58 kWh 420km, 77 kWh 550km. The maximum speed is 160 km/h.

The empty weight is 1.794 kg. The frontal area is 2.36 square meters, the cW value is 0,267. AC can be charged with 11kW and DC with 100kW (the 77kWh battery with 125kW). In half an hour you can recharge with DC a range of 290 km.

I hope the new data will help you implement the id.3 in your route planner.

Kind regards, Bernhard

We've already updated the planner with the new figures from the Frankfurt Auto Show, thanks for the extra data points, we'll double check them against our models!

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Hi, there will be an upped charging option for €€ for the small battery in ID.3, see table in the linked article. That article is about a power bump option, but the charging option (CCS 50kW -> 100 kW) was mentioned before, I just didn't have the link. Also, the small battery will have an option (guess it'll be the same package) for three- vs two-phase charging, raising it from 7.2 to 11 kW AC, just like the two bigger battery versions. Would have to search for the AC part, but seen it before in more than one place.

Edit - I think, this is important as I can show people with small budget that they can do occasional longer trips at not-so-shabby speed aswell.

https://www.electrive.net/2019/12/19/vw-kuendigt-id-3-pro-power-an/

 

Edited by edgarw

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Hi again, please add the higher charging speed option for the ID.3 Pure 45kWh
It's a definitve fact, listed e.g in the table here: https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/vw/vw-id-3/

45 kWh: "AC-Laden mit 7,4 kW (Basisversion), sonst 11 kW, DC-Laden mit CCS-Stecker mit bis zu 50 kW (Serie) und bis zu 100 kW (Aufpreis)"

translated:

45 kWh: "AC charging with 7.4 kW (basic version), otherwise 11 kW, DC charging with CCS connector with up to 50 kW (standard) and up to 100 kW (surcharge)"

Also mentioned here: https://de.motor1.com/news/369580/vw-id3-enthullt-serienversion/

Ah and finally an article in english: https://www.electrive.com/2019/12/19/volkswagen-announces-id-3-pro-power/

Please add this option, it's essential for people, who only want or can afford a small battery but plan the occasional long (e.g. holiday) trip.

 

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Ah, excellent @edgarw! Did they specify a charge time for the 100kW curve? I'll need that to dial in the shape of the curve.  I can make a guess without it, but it'd be better with the time.

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@Jason (ABRP) nothing more specific yet, it seems. Only "so and so many km in 30 minutes" numbers, not even specifying which battery that's based on. 290km in 30 minutes for the 58kWh battery I think ... but thats's so rough, I wouldn't caculate with this. I'd have to dig for those numbers. And I'll have to change my e-mail notifications it seems 🙂 ah there it is: "Notify me of replies" - checked!

Maybe, for the small battery and 100 kW option you can for a start just take the 58 kWh curve and multiply it by 45/58 ... or something like that...

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The charging curve of an ID.3, recorded by an anonymous sender to Nextnews!. Charging start was at 43% with 67 kW, ended at 90% with just under 31 kW. Not seen on any other EV yet: the charging curve decline almost linearly, rather than in steps, so the control obviously is much finer than with any competing vehicle.

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