Jason-ABRP Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 To verify and improve our models we need your feedback. There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one: Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used. Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser. Contribute data via OBD or other methods. The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car. Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car: An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro. If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car! Thanks for providing feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loewuppel Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Hello, the ID3 is now announced with the netto-capacities of the battery for the Long Range with 77 kWh, Mid Range 58 kWh and Standard Range 49 kWh. Perhaps you like to use the netto-data for the alpha ID3 in your car-selection? Kind regards, Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason-ABRP Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 16 hours ago, Loewuppel said: Hello, the ID3 is now announced with the netto-capacities of the battery for the Long Range with 77 kWh, Mid Range 58 kWh and Standard Range 49 kWh. Perhaps you like to use the netto-data for the alpha ID3 in your car-selection? Kind regards, Bernhard Done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loewuppel Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Hello Jason, thank you for your spontaneous reaction. I have to correct the number for the Standard Range. According to the vw press conference from 9.5.2019 this is netto 45 kWh. Kind regards, Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loewuppel Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) Hello Jason, from the IAA Frankfurt there is new information about the id.3. The ranges are for 45 kWh 330km, 58 kWh 420km, 77 kWh 550km. The maximum speed is 160 km/h. The empty weight is 1.794 kg. The frontal area is 2.36 square meters, the cW value is 0,267. AC can be charged with 11kW and DC with 100kW (the 77kWh battery with 125kW). In half an hour you can recharge with DC a range of 290 km. I hope the new data will help you implement the id.3 in your route planner. Kind regards, Bernhard Edited September 15, 2019 by Loewuppel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason-ABRP Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Loewuppel said: Hello Jason, from the IAA Frankfurt there is new information about the id.3. The ranges are for 45 kWh 330km, 58 kWh 420km, 77 kWh 550km. The maximum speed is 160 km/h. The empty weight is 1.794 kg. The frontal area is 2.36 square meters, the cW value is 0,267. AC can be charged with 11kW and DC with 100kW (the 77kWh battery with 125kW). In half an hour you can recharge with DC a range of 290 km. I hope the new data will help you implement the id.3 in your route planner. Kind regards, Bernhard We've already updated the planner with the new figures from the Frankfurt Auto Show, thanks for the extra data points, we'll double check them against our models! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Chalkley Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 ID.3 owners will be able to recharge for free at IONITY charge points for one year after registration, so maybe there should be an option to select a preferred charging network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Chalkley Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Sorry, I have now worked out how to select a network as preferred! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Hi, there will be an upped charging option for €€ for the small battery in ID.3, see table in the linked article. That article is about a power bump option, but the charging option (CCS 50kW -> 100 kW) was mentioned before, I just didn't have the link. Also, the small battery will have an option (guess it'll be the same package) for three- vs two-phase charging, raising it from 7.2 to 11 kW AC, just like the two bigger battery versions. Would have to search for the AC part, but seen it before in more than one place. Edit - I think, this is important as I can show people with small budget that they can do occasional longer trips at not-so-shabby speed aswell. https://www.electrive.net/2019/12/19/vw-kuendigt-id-3-pro-power-an/ Edited December 19, 2019 by edgarw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Hi again, please add the higher charging speed option for the ID.3 Pure 45kWh It's a definitve fact, listed e.g in the table here: https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/vw/vw-id-3/ 45 kWh: "AC-Laden mit 7,4 kW (Basisversion), sonst 11 kW, DC-Laden mit CCS-Stecker mit bis zu 50 kW (Serie) und bis zu 100 kW (Aufpreis)" translated: 45 kWh: "AC charging with 7.4 kW (basic version), otherwise 11 kW, DC charging with CCS connector with up to 50 kW (standard) and up to 100 kW (surcharge)" Also mentioned here: https://de.motor1.com/news/369580/vw-id3-enthullt-serienversion/ Ah and finally an article in english: https://www.electrive.com/2019/12/19/volkswagen-announces-id-3-pro-power/ Please add this option, it's essential for people, who only want or can afford a small battery but plan the occasional long (e.g. holiday) trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason-ABRP Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 Ah, excellent @edgarw! Did they specify a charge time for the 100kW curve? I'll need that to dial in the shape of the curve. I can make a guess without it, but it'd be better with the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 @Jason (ABRP) nothing more specific yet, it seems. Only "so and so many km in 30 minutes" numbers, not even specifying which battery that's based on. 290km in 30 minutes for the 58kWh battery I think ... but thats's so rough, I wouldn't caculate with this. I'd have to dig for those numbers. And I'll have to change my e-mail notifications it seems ah there it is: "Notify me of replies" - checked! Maybe, for the small battery and 100 kW option you can for a start just take the 58 kWh curve and multiply it by 45/58 ... or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 The charging curve of an ID.3, recorded by an anonymous sender to Nextnews!. Charging start was at 43% with 67 kW, ended at 90% with just under 31 kW. Not seen on any other EV yet: the charging curve decline almost linearly, rather than in steps, so the control obviously is much finer than with any competing vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgarw Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 A real charging curve of ID.3 1st (58 kWh) https://electromobilitate.com/volkswagen-id3-1st-curba-de-incarcare/ and someone made this out of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conny Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I´ll get my ID.3 in a couple of weeks, and as a ABRP premium user with ODB2 adapter, I´m open to help you as much as possible. Anyone know here the OBD2 port is? I´ll try on ID.3 tonight from the dealership. If you need support with this Jason, Im keen to help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conny Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Took tha ID.3 on a quick test drive last night, at least I found the OBD port, but did not have time to test and read values from the system. Will try it when I get my own car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conny Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Tonight I´m borrowing the ID.3 again for a "short" return trip to Gothenburg. I have prepared all the hardware and will try again to read out the interesting PIDs from the OBDII port. I´ll get back with more info tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conny Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 11:38 AM, edgarw said: A real charging curve of ID.3 1st (58 kWh) https://electromobilitate.com/volkswagen-id3-1st-curba-de-incarcare/ and someone made this out of it Here is the charging curve for ID.3 according to Fastned in NL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conny Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Yesterday I managed to play around with the OBDII port. I managed to read the SOC after a short time of testing. So Im pretty confident that it will be able to read out all the values that we need for it to work online with ABRP. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 4:00 PM, conny said: Yesterday I managed to play around with the OBDII port. I managed to read the SOC after a short time of testing. So Im pretty confident that it will be able to read out all the values that we need for it to work online with ABRP. Do you have a list of PIDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) @Jason (ABRP) I just checked a bit the network traffic of MyVolkswagen website and found following info about SOC. It seems the data is updated every 2min if the car is online and data is changing - currently I try to run the aircon from my app on 25°C and observe... It seems after too many requests the car stops to respond, it gives a message to start/stop it - I guess it is because of battery saving. Also the auth token used is only valid for 30min or so and I did not find out yet how one can generate a new one... https://cardata.apps.emea.vwapps.io/veh ... uel/status One needs an authorization bearer (can be found in the requests of the web site) and your user-id as header key (can also be found in the requests) I am no web dev and I do not know if and how this can be put in an automatic process - maybe ABRP or EVNotify can use it somehow ?! Edited October 15, 2020 by flea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conny Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 5:16 PM, flea said: Do you have a list of PIDs? Not yet, but Im working on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witold Baryluk Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 hours ago, conny said: Not yet, but Im working on it. Do you have some github repo maybe where you document it or something? Would be great. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason-ABRP Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 This is very exciting progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conny Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 4/20/2019 at 7:53 PM, Jason (ABRP) said: To verify and improve our models we need your feedback. There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one: Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used. Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser. Contribute data via OBD or other methods. The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car. Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car: An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro. If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car! Thanks for providing feedback! @Jason (ABRP) could you please explain how to use the second option, Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser. And will that uppdate the car calculation model also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
