[New Car] Ioniq Facelift 38kWh

[logic 2]

It would be nice to have the Ioniq Facelift with 38,3kWh battery in the planner to start planning trips and comparing.
Just a copy of the existing Ioniq model but with the bigger battery wuld suffice, as the new mass and charging curve is unknown still but the rest should be the same (or about) anyways.

Driving Model:

Option 1 - Analytical - Same as Ioniq 28kWh except mass, which is unknown. Battery capacity is 38,3kWh

 

Charging Model:

Charge Curve - Unknown, Expect not worse thatn Ioniq 28kWh

[BarryH 6]

I reduce the consumption by 30% to see this impact. (144 Wh/km @110kw/hr /38 * 28 )

This implicity assumes that the fastcharging will still take the same time from 0-80%, so also 30% faster

It's easy to add a bit of time to the fast charging mitigate this impact (e.g. bij comparing fast charging time of a route with the one for normal Ioniq settings

 

[Jason (ABRP) 105]

Thanks for the ping on this, I've added it to the planner.  For anyone looking to contribute:

To verify and improve our models we need your feedback.  There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one:

• Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used.
• Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser.
• Contribute data via OBD or other methods.

The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car.  Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car:

• An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro.
• If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla

If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car!

Thanks for providing feedback!

[logic 2]

Awesome! Seems like it can't find any routes though.

[Jason (ABRP) 105]

Seems to be working okay for me, give it another try?

Perhaps try forcing a hard refresh using ctrl+f5 if that doesn't work.  Here's a plan that works for me:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=b17ec053-ec0d-4456-9e8e-c9c5f1b17be5

[logic 2]

Yes its working now, although Ctrl-F5 didnt help before.

[logic 2]

Bad news for the Ioniq FL:
https://www.hyundai.news/eu/press-kits/new-hyundai-ioniq-offers-a-range-of-new-enhancements/

Will be charging a lot slower than hoped, seems about the same as the Kona 39, maybe you already have some data for it? If not the analytical system for its charging should work fine for now.
 

[BarryH 6]

yes. existing Ioniq will be faster on the long trips with multiple fast charges

 

[Hr29 0]

the average charging power is 34kw / h This is much slower than before the facelift

 

Edited May 4, 2019 by Hr29

[Jason (ABRP) 105]

That's unfortunate, it's easy enough to duplicate the Kona 39 charge curve instead of the scaled Ioniq charge curve.  I can change that over if you think it's more realistic.

[BarryH 6]

Please do. It's not likely they made a mistake, since it looks to be close to the Kona 39kWh

[LIoniq 0]

The Kona 39kWh is not accurate at ABRP. It is simulated way to fast at charging.

0-80% is 57 min @ 50kW DC-Chargers

0-80% is 54 min @ 100kW DC-Chargers

This applies for both Kona 39 kWh and Ioniq 38.3kWh.

[Jason (ABRP) 105]

On 5/5/2019 at 2:15 PM, LIoniq said:

The Kona 39kWh is not accurate at ABRP. It is simulated way to fast at charging.

0-80% is 57 min @ 50kW DC-Chargers

0-80% is 54 min @ 100kW DC-Chargers

This applies for both Kona 39 kWh and Ioniq 38.3kWh.

This is excellent feedback, data is hard to come by on the 39kWh Kona, I'll see about adjusting the charge curve to get a closer match.  Only 3 minutes gained on a 100kW DC charger? I wonder why they can't even meet the performance of the 1st Gen Ioniq?

In any case, the charge curve has been updated so the 0-80% charge time matches the times you gave fairly closely.  I couldn't tune the curve to match for both the 100kW and 50kW case, so there's obviously something else at play in the curve that I'm not accounting for.  The 39kWh Kona / Niro are available to send Torque data in, so if anyone has one and can go do a 10-80% charge session that would be very helpful! Just let me know about it afterwards and I'll run the analysis.

 

 

[BarryH 6]

thx. appreciated. now clearly reflects that on long trips de current Ioniq wins, provided there are sufficient fastcharging stations along the route

[Sameless 0]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 2:54 AM, Jason (ABRP) said:

This is excellent feedback, data is hard to come by on the 39kWh Kona, I'll see about adjusting the charge curve to get a closer match.  Only 3 minutes gained on a 100kW DC charger? I wonder why they can't even meet the performance of the 1st Gen Ioniq?

In any case, the charge curve has been updated so the 0-80% charge time matches the times you gave fairly closely.  I couldn't tune the curve to match for both the 100kW and 50kW case, so there's obviously something else at play in the curve that I'm not accounting for.  The 39kWh Kona / Niro are available to send Torque data in, so if anyone has one and can go do a 10-80% charge session that would be very helpful! Just let me know about it afterwards and I'll run the analysis.

 

 

Received from Kona 39 kWh Owner. (horrible low rate on charging if battery temperature is below 25°C !) Should be the same on IONIQ 38.3:

 

Edited May 21, 2019 by Sameless

[logic 2]

i cant see that image.

[Sameless 0]

On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 4:20 PM, logic said:

i cant see that image.

I cant see the problem.

I will attach the image

 

[Ferfi 0]

@Jason (ABRP), is this curve above currently used for the Ioniq 38?

Btw, thank you very much for your service! 👍

[Jason (ABRP) 105]

On 6/11/2019 at 3:37 PM, Ferfi said:

@Jason (ABRP), is this curve above currently used for the Ioniq 38?

Btw, thank you very much for your service! 👍

Yes, indeed, the various HKMC 38kWh cars use the same charge curve.  I need to compare @Sameless's curve against the one I'm currently using, but it looks fairly similar to what I recall.

[edgarw 2]

Ioniq 38 charging speed (or lack thereof) is for very very patient people:

11%: 39 kW
26%: 47 kW
32%: 42 kW
51%: 35 kW
69%: 23 kW
73%: 15 kW
 

[Jason (ABRP) 105]

On 9/5/2019 at 6:01 AM, edgarw said:

Ioniq 38 charging speed (or lack thereof) is for very very patient people:

11%: 39 kW
26%: 47 kW
32%: 42 kW
51%: 35 kW
69%: 23 kW
73%: 15 kW
 

Wow, that is entirely unimpressive.  I'll get to updating the charge curve to match...

[edgarw 2]

20 minutes ago, Jason (ABRP) said:

Wow, that is entirely unimpressive.  I'll get to updating the charge curve to match...

It was clear for a long time, but everybody wanted to believe it's not true.

Still I wonder why speed didn't at least increase upto 40%, like Kona and e-Niro's 64 kWh packs do.

Anyway, thanks for updating the software - and for all the terrific work! 🙂

[edgarw 2]

And here's the complete charging session in a video

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by edgarw

[Jason (ABRP) 105]

@edgarw  - Thanks for the data, I've updated the 38kWh charge curve to match the real world.  Shame that it somehow manages to charge substantially slower than the old one...

[edgarw 2]

Welcome, Jason. It's due to the very slow cells which are fast enough in Kona's 400V 64 kWh pack, but not when used in a 320V 38-39 kWh pack. But I guess you know that 😉