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  1. I have more info on this one:

    I changed my vehicle model to a Leaf (it was a CCS vehicle before) and the charging location showed up.  It also appeared as a 50 kW site (it's a 350 kW site).  Change back to a CCS vehicle and it disappears!

    The data for the site is shown below as well as a similar nearby site:

    Campbell Town (one that doesn't appear)


    Kings Meadows (nearby 350 kW site that does appear - different network operator)



    Is the fact that Evie reports the site as "ccs2" instead of "CCS" the cause?


  2. Description: The charging location at Campbell Town, Tasmania, Australia is missing ( -41.929247, 147.494534 )
    Type: This applies to the app and website
    Other details:
    The charger is present in both OpenChargeMap and the Australian fast charger spreadsheet - both of which are used as sources.
    On further investigation, similar chargers from the same network located in Avenel (Victoria), Tailem Bend (South Australia) and Tarcutta (New South Wales) are also missing.  The network is "Evie Networks".
  3. On 10/10/2020 at 7:42 PM, Pb100 said:

    I have found a number of AC chargers missing in Western Australia. How accurate is the AC data? Australia does not have a good DC charging network so the route planner needs to utilise AC chargers otherwise many destinations  cannot be reached. 

    Foe example from Perth to Esperence, PlugShare has a 3 phase charger at the Green Haven Caravan Park but ABRP does not utilise this charger so indicates it's impossible to get to Esperence. . 

    This has been raised and is being worked on by ABRP peeps here 🙂  


  4. Thanks @caf for the correction on the name... I found that in a few locations so thought it was official.  "3-phase 32A" is the best short name then.

    Also as caf says, these standards also exist in NZ.

    There are a few lower power options (wall outlets) but probably best to leave these out - they are of minimal use while planning road trips as they only charge between 2.4-3.6 kW.  They can always be added later if needed.


  5. Hey @OzFred @caf and @Katya (ABRP),

    Travelling across remote parts of Australia has been a challenging issue for EV drivers.  It's a long way to cover with DC fast chargers, but fortunately EV drivers have come up with a bit of a workaround 🙂  Here is the backstory:

    A few years ago, members of the Australian Electric Vehicle Association and the Tesla Owners Club of Australia attempted to do some travelling outside the existing charge infrastructure area, and found that a particular style of outlet we have in Australia - the 3-phase 32 amp 5-pin socket - which exists in many remote towns at places such as showgrounds and sometimes caravan parks - is well suited to enabling AC charging at up to 22 kW.  With a portable EVSE such as as JuiceBooster 2, they will allow a suitably capable vehicle to charge at over 100km of range per hour.  Not a DC fast charger but better than a power point!

    The two associations agreed to contribute some funds to purchase in bulk and donate more of these outlets (and EV charging signs) to various other councils, roadhouses, caravan parks and motels across remote parts of Australia to build what would become the "Round Australia Electric Highway" (RAEH).

    You can read about it here: https://www.teslaowners.org.au/round-australia  (Note: some of the maps of other chargers later on this page are a bit outdated now!)

    Now, how does ABRP fit in? 🙂

    One of ABRP's sources is the "Australian fast charger locations" Google Sheet which I maintain. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A6jrzPsrrUyWzEQ4HVpoaHK85cK3un0auG1b5Gc85NA/edit#gid=0

    I tested adding a "Round Australia Electric Highway" entry to this list a while back, to see if it would import.  It didn't, presumably because the plug types available in ABRP do not include the Australian 3-phase 32A plug.

    ABRP users can currently only choose between Europe and North America:


    It would be great to have an "Oceania" region.  The minimum "Types of chargers" to include would be:

    • Type 2 (same as EU)
    • Type 2 Tesla (same as EU)
    • J1772 (same as NA)
    • 3-phase 32A  (NEW! The commonly accepted short name for a 3-phase 32A 5-pin socket - technically its a 56P532 but no-one will know what this means!)

    Once this is done, let me know how I should label such sockets in the spreadsheet and I can start adding RAEH locations.  Actually if you look at the "RAEH" tab you'll see where I started such a list some time ago (unrelated to ABRP), but this tab could be adapted for use by ABRP as a source, just as the primary "Data" tab is now.  (I'd rather keep the fast chargers separate on the "Data" tab)

    ABRP admins, let me know if you're able to add the "Oceania" options as mentioned above! I can do up a graphic for the 3-phase socket icon.  When ready, I'll start populating the sheet (with assistance!).  The 21 entries already listed are *only* the Perth to Adelaide route - I haven't got a complete count but probably a hundred locations all up!


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  6. @Bo (ABRP) - is it possible to tweak the import a bit?  At the moment you import rows with column A = "Operational" - could you make it and rows with either "Operational" or "1 Operational"?  

    The reason being I plan to use labels starting with numbers so when I sort that column it puts them in lifecycle order e.g. "1 Operational", "2 Construction", "3 Confirmed", "4 Planned", "5 Speculative" etc.  and not just alphabetically.  Those may not be the exact categories but "1 Operational" will definitely be the first!

  7. 3 hours ago, Katya (ABRP) said:

    Hi @chuq,

    We found the culprit 🙂

    Apparently, as the information we got from ocm didn't list what network the charger belonged to, the overall score for likeness was when it came to the networks being the same or not, lowered. This is of course not really logical, so we adjusted things a bit and now only one will be shown.


    Well that makes sense.. this station isn't really on a network yet, sorta.  It's going to use EasyPark, which is what is currently used for parking in the existing car park, but at the moment the charger itself is on free vend.  Eventually it will be integrated with EasyPark.  However there currently aren't any other EasyPark chargers in Australia, hence it not being a valid network selection in OCM!

    My Australian charger spreadsheet, on the other hand, just has a free text field for the charge network.

    Thanks for fixing it on the ABRP side!  I'll sort it out at OCM too.

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  8. Thanks @Katya (ABRP)

    It's probably worth me mentioning that the address for one of these (the OpenChargeMap sourced one), was "Dunn Place", not "3 Davey St" up until a few days ago.  I thought this was the cause, fixed it, and waited for the daily update/import, but it didn't resolve itself even after a few days.


  9. Since ABRP pulls data from a lot of locations, there will, on occasion, be sites that appear in multiple sources.

    I've noticed often ABRP will recognise this and merge them, but what is the logic that is used here?

    Is there a reason it doesn't merge these two locations? (both are at the exact same location as well).  The left is from my Australia charger spreadsheet, the right is from OpenChargeMap.

    Co-ordinates: -42.881339, 147.332385


  10. Yikes, I hadn't considered my filtering view may affect the import of sites - my apologies if this is the case 😞

    I've just checked a few sites around Melbourne which are non network affiliated and they are still showing up in ABRP, so I don't think that's the issue... 

    At first I thought you meant the Dan Murphys site, and thought perhaps it might have been auto-merged with the NRMA site since the two are so close, but on closer inspection the Dan Murphys one is labelled as "Coming" (I haven't seen evidence that it is operation yet) and the NRMA one (marked "Operational") is not visible!

    So still a bit of a mystery...


  11. Description:  Australian/New Zealand 3-phase sockets from OpenChargeMap don't appear to show as a charging option on ABRP.

    Use Case: The Australian Electric Vehicle Association (AEVA) and the Tesla Owners Club of Australia (TOCA) have co-funded electric highways across remote parts of Australia - areas without the traffic or population to warrant DC fast chargers or even standard AC chargers.  It is known as the Round Australia Electric Highway.  They have used the AS/NZS 3123 standard socket, which is 3-phase, 32A, allowing AC charging at up to 22 kW, with an appropriate high grade EVSE.  Reasons for this choice are cost, reliability in outback conditions, power throughput, and in many cases sites already had such an outlet.  More info is on the official site: https://www.teslaowners.org.au/round-australia

    This sockets are listed in OCM but do not appear in ABRP, presumably because only a specific subset of socket types are imported.  Note that all of these locations are listed on Plugshare, I'm happy to add them to OCM if this will result them being available in ABRP.  

    I've added one location to OCM as a test: https://openchargemap.org/site/poi/details/149466

  12. Hey @Bo (ABRP) and @Jason (ABRP) - are you having issues importing new sites from the Australian CCS spreadsheet?

    I added a site "Kings Meadows" last week, that worked fine - I also added a site "Keith" a couple of days ago and that so far hasn't shown up.

    These are the rows in the source spreadsheet:



    On further investigation, it looks like ABRP might have sourced Kings Meadows from OCM, but Keith hasn't been added to OCM there yet.  So maybe that's the reason.

  13. I'm surprised this thread didn't already exist 🙂

    Obviously they are not in the wild, so can't get precise driving/charging model info.  However ABRP includes the Tesla Roadster which is in the same situation so I'm assuming estimates can be made.

    We don't have a lot of the data which is required for the analytical model as mentioned in the blog post.  What is the workaround? 

    Models (with EPA estimated range, in case it helps):

    • Single motor - 250 mi / 400 km EPA est
    • Dual motor - 300 mi / 480 km EPA est
    • Tri motor - 500 mi / 800 km EPA est.

    We don't have info on the batteries, other than the Tri motor is a double stacked version of the single motor.

    We probably can't even estimate the mass due to the unusual materials used.  Motor1 says "our educated guess is that the Cybertruck is some 1,000-1,500 pounds (450-680 kilograms) heavier [than the F150] but this is just an assumption as we don't have exact and official details."  F150 is 4400 to 5300 lb.

    Front area is probably the easiest to calculate: 78.8 inches wide x 75.0 inches high = 41.04 sq ft / 3.813 sq m (not allowing for the gap under the car - subtract about 14% if this area is to be excluded)

    Charging curve - assume the same as the Model 3?

    Anyone else have any insights?

  14. On 11/21/2019 at 1:01 PM, caf said:

    @chuq Yes - oddly the second pin for the DC site is still listed as "Under Construction", but there's reviews on Plugshare indicating it's operational so I guess they're just slow updating their own app.

    They do list another DC site that's not on your sheet, though:

    "Concord JLR", 49/53 Parramatta Rd, Concord, NSW 2137.  2x CCS2 25kW.

    Or do you only consider 50kW+ sites as "fast"?

    Yep - only 50 kW+ sites!  Otherwise there would be hundreds of them.  ABRP does use AC charging locations, but not for most of the time.  Definitely add AC ones to OpenChargeMap though if you spot them and would like ABRP to use them, since ABRP will import from there..  

    In case you're wondering why I don't just add the DC chargers to OCM - I keep the spreadsheet for a secondary purpose - many networks have a list of 'Coming soon' locations which are up to a year away.  I use the data in the spreadsheet to make a map of "What the Australian fast charging coverage will look like in 12 months time".  Note that only Operational chargers are imported into ABRP, but all the "coming soon"/"speculative" ones are used in my other maps.

  15. @caf I think the Chargefox app shows two pins at the site - the 22kW chargers (which have been there for months) and the Ultra-rapid charger (which is new).  I'm only including the fast & ultra-rapid sites in the spreadsheet, so I don't include AC chargers (except where a fast charger site has an AC charger adjacent to it).  AC charging sites are not particularly helpful for ABRP's purpose (routing long distance trips) which is why I don't include them.

    I believe ABRP also sources from OpenChargeMap, which would be a good place to add the 22 kW sites (if you want to do them all manually, that is!)

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