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  1. 3 points
    We would definitely love to build an iOS / Android app, but Bo and I are pretty short on time as-is, if we find the right person to help out it's very high on our priority list! Android Auto and CarPlay are different stories, I've done a lot of investigation as I have a Bolt which doesn't have a browser. Android Auto is very restrictive right now, unless your phone is rooted it's very difficult to get a display into Android Auto. I'm not as familiar with CarPlay, but I suspect it's similarly restrictive. Once we have an app, Auto / CarPlay will definitely rise up the priority list. For now, a pretty good workaround is to use the "webapp" feature that most browsers offer. In Chrome you can go to A Better Route Planner, select the ⋮ button and pick "Add to Home Screen". When you open that link, it'll be full-screen and work mostly like an app on your phone. Not as good as a native app, but not terrible either!
  2. 1 point
    (Edits: Correct charging times for 10-50 kWh for new charge curves, which previously were too optimistic. Added charging time for BTX6 100 kWh battery.) About a month ago, Tesla started rolling out updates to their fleet to allow for faster charging at the V2 Superchargers. These are the classic Superchargers which are everywhere, and they are still physically 145 kW maximum, serving a pair of stalls. The new V3 Superchargers will be able to serve 250 kW, per stall, but they are not yet available - we will report on their performance once we have data. But how does the fast V2 Supercharging actually perform in reality? Thanks to ABRP users logging in with MyTesla in ABRP, and generously sharing data with us, we are able to record charging sessions for a lot of different cars at a lot of different supercharger locations. So this is actual crowdsourced data from the real world. Increasing the charging power on vehicles should of course be a win for the drivers, leading to shorter charging times, but in particularly this case, there are some if's-and-but's: For Model S and X, this is done by just decreasing the margins; will the cars and batteries actually cope with it? The V2 Superchargers can provide 145 kW max for a pair of stalls. Normally, the first car to charge in a pair would get all power it could take, and the rest would be given to the other stall - now how would this work if the first car can actually take 145 kW? Obviously, actually getting full power would be even more dependent on Supercharger occupancy. Since the Supercharger charging cables and connectors were not build to deliver 145 kW, this will make the charging power even more dependent on external factors such as temperature. For these reasons, we have chosen to be cautious and not yet enable the faster charging curves in ABRP. We will do it as soon as we see that it works well enough in the real world. Enough talking, let's get to actual data! Model 3 Long Range, the BT37 battery (75 kWh) The plot below shows charging data gathered from Model 3s in ABRP from April 1st 2019, each sample is a faint blue dot. The red curve is the present (old) charge curve in ABRP for this battery, and as we can see it is limited to about 120 kW. In charging sessions with cars with upgraded charging power, which depends on software version, and at Superchargers which support it, we see a clear cloud of charging points up around 145 kW for 10-40% SoC. The yellow curve is the fitted charging curve to this new data. Translating these charge curves into charging times from 10 kWh to 50 kWh in the battery (in absolute energy to make it comparable between battery sizes) we get: Old 120 kW charging curve: 24 minutes 27 seconds New charging curve: 21 minutes 31 and seconds That is a pretty decent time saving! As long as there is Supercharger power available for you, of course. Clearly, the BT37 battery and Model 3 has been designed from the beginning for higher power charging. Model S/X100, the BTX6 battery (100 kWh) The BTX6 battery is the old grandmaster among Tesla batteries. Except for being the clearly highest capacity battery, it could also take 120 kW longer than any other battery. However, in the plot below, we notice something when it is pushed to 145 kW - see those decreasing lines of charging dots from 145 to 120 kW? It really seems like the charging speed tapers off pretty quickly irrespective if you start at high or low SoC. The likely cause is that something in the battery or cabling gets too hot and that the cooling system is not able to keep it cool enough. Too bad on this fine piece of battery! Translating these charge curves into charging times from 10 kWh to 50 kWh in the battery we get: Old charging curve: 22 minutes 16 seconds The conclusion from this data is that unfortunately, the Model S/X100 were never designed for higher power charging than 120 kW, and the increased peak power is mostly a gimmick for these cars. Model S/X90, BTX4 Battery (90 kWh) The first small increase in battery size from the original S85, the BTX4 90 kWh battery, has never been a real success. First of all, it's actual capacity is around 82 kWh - pretty far from 90 - and there have been signs of it degrading faster than other batteries. There has also been reports of users who have received power limitations on supercharging after a certain number of lifetime supercharges. So, our guess would have been that it would not have received any charging power upgrade at all. However, some of the data we have show that there seems to be a small push up to 125 kW for some vehicles. If this holds, the charging times for the S/X90 would actually be slightly improved. Translating these charge curves into charging times from 10 kWh to 50 kWh in the battery we get: Old charging curve: 24 minutes 52 seconds New charging curve: 23 minutes 18 seconds But again, the BTX4 is a tricky battery. Let us see what more data shows. Model S/X75, BTX5 battery (75 kWh) The 75 kWh battery has traditionally been a bit of a slow charger (in the Tesla universe), and a charging power upgrade would be a nice addition. As can be seen in the graph below, the BTX5 actually seems to really enjoy the higher power charging, which could be expected given that the peak charging power is still below the Supercharger-as-designed 120 kW and that the car probably has the same cooling capacity as the S/X100. Translating these charge curves into charging times from 10 kWh to 50 kWh in the battery we get: Old charging curve: 29 minutes 22 seconds New charging curve: 27 minutes 58 seconds This is a welcome charging time improvement for the small size Model S/X battery, especially since these cars have to charge more often. And given that the car and V2 Superchargers have been designed from 120 kW from the beginning, this is likely actually going to work well. TL;DR Tesla's increased charging power looks great for the Model 3 and the Model S/X75 since these car models were designed to take higher charging power. The increase for the Model S/X90 and 100 mostly looks like a gimmick to stay ahead on competition - something Tesla does pretty well anyway! How to contribute data? If you own a Tesla and use ABRP, please do login with MyTesla in ABRP, and check the boxes "Share data with ABRP" and even better "36h background sharing", which allows ABRP to poll your car for up to 36 hours after you have used ABRP. This helps us gather all your supercharging along a trip even if you don't use ABRP all the time. The MyTesla token which we get from Tesla after you log in is never stored permanently in our servers, only in your own browser. We definitively don't want to put your vehicle at any risk even if our servers get hacked.
  3. 1 point
    To verify and improve our models we need your feedback. There's many ways we could use help if you actually own one: Drive a plan and compare it to the actual battery used. Drive a plan with the browser active, and update your actual battery percentage in the browser. Contribute data via OBD or other methods. The best way to improve the data is to provide data directly from the car. Connecting your car not only improves the models, but allows you to follow up directly in the car while driving! We have several ways of doing that, but we need your help to figure out what will work with your car: An OBD reader can be used in concert with a custom app like LeafSpy, or a PID list and Torque Pro. If your manufacturer has an API to access data from the car we can set up access to that API, like we do for Tesla If you're familiar with either of these, contact me at jason@abetterrouteplanner.com and I'll help figure out what we need to do to connect your car! Thanks for providing feedback!
  4. 1 point
    Hi I found this planer quite useful. Anyhow the consumption for a Kona electric EV 64 kWh seems to be fairly ok. Example 1: Driving from Wallisellen near Zurich / Switzerland to Silvaplana via Julier pass ABRP comes along with 46 % of charge in Silvaplana, when leaving with 100% - temperatures 25°C - max. speed on highway 125 km/h. We reached Silvaplana with 46% . Example 2: Driving from Wallisellen near Zurich / Switzerland to Falera comes along in ABRP with 59 % of charge, when leaving with 100% - temperatures 25°C - max. speed on highway 125 km/h. We reached Falera with 62%. That's not a too bad prediction.
  5. 1 point
    Hi Jason, Thank you for the model! Initial model seems to match smaller roads well (speed limits mostly 80 or 100 kmph): I planned route to summer cottage. It's pretty close to 100% SOC when driven about 5 kmph over speed limits in perfect and quiet road conditions. Model gives 106%, but it is also estimating the length of the trip about 5% higher than Google (same route on map) - I have to double check the true length next time I'll go there :) For a temperature accurate verification, it will take some time - most of my drivings are too short trips to be usable for verification :-/ With Best Regards, Jarkko
  6. 1 point
    You are absolutely correct, it should be bolt60, I've corrected the webaddress, so you should see it correctly in the instructions. Not sure how that one slipped past me. Glad to hear it's working!
  7. 1 point
    Yes. Go into “Settings”. Then “More Settings”. You can set the fast chargers that you want shown. Choices are CCS, ChaDeMo, and Tesla CCS.
  8. 1 point
    Description: Not sure if this is really needed or even possible: In the planning options of a waypoint make it as "hidden", "dont' care" or some other name ("interpolation point", "support point" - english natives may have a better idea). Use Case: While planning you might need add additional waypoints to force the routing to use a specific way. That's already working. But while driving this waypoint is shown as destination in the details and graph view. However, I don't care on that point but the next "real" waypoint.
  9. 1 point
    I make fairly routine trips from my home in Delaware (in the USA,) to Astoria, Queens, in New York City. When I create a round trip to/from there, the route planner takes me through Manhattan in New York City to a charger there. Pretty much no-one will drive through Manhattan to get from west of New York to Long Island (where Astoria is) unless they have to. The routes that I'll get from Waze or Google Maps will be 1) via the George Washington Bridge - from northern New Jersey to The Bronx, and down to Long Island over the Robert F Kennedy Bridge or 2) Across Staten Island via the Goethals Bridge and then the Verizzano Bridge - from central New Jersey. Both of these routes bypass Manhattan to get to Long Island. In addition, the City of New York plans to charge additional fees to go through mid-town Manhattan besides the normal tolls, so it will be more expensive to go that way as well. I know that there are a lot of chargers in Manhattan, but...I'm not going there. Unfortunately, your route planner seems to insist that I go through Manhattan and, besides adding lots of waypoints to my trip, there doesn't seem to be a nice way to modify the route. Even when I eliminate the charging station in Manhattan, and the planner then picks something more reasonable, like one of the Supercharger stations on the New Jersey Turnpike, it still wants me to go through Manhattan. When I plan the same trip in Waze, it gives me routing options - usually 3 options - and allows me to pick one. It may be a longer trip, but it always comes out taking less time - sometimes by a lot. I realize that a longer trip is not necessarily the best for an electric car, but in a case like this, I'd opt for a longer trip. Perhaps you could add "Avoid city centers" to your "Avoid on Route" dropdown in the options area? Or optional routes like Waze?
  10. 1 point
    This sounds like an excellent idea to me (an Aussie) as well! A related piece of goodness would be nominating that a waypoint is in fact an overnight stay with charging available that will result in 100% charge the next day. In other words, multi-day trip planning.
  11. 1 point
    I'm an iOS user and a BMW i3 owner and I'd like to contribute to the data for my trips. I have read discussion about trying to log the data and can see it's probably a no go on iOS, but I cannot work out whether this does work on Android with Torque Pro? I already own a Vgate iCar Pro BLE OBD2 reader, and am happy to purchase a cheap Android phone to be able to log the data if this works. Is it possible to log the required data using Torque Pro?
  12. 1 point
    Conveniently, there was an error in the log to fix! Give it another try and see if it works now.
  13. 1 point
    Interesting, I hadn't heard of them before, I'll try contacting them and see if they'd be willing to work with us! A little expensive on the front end, but a very useful-sounding device!
  14. 1 point
    How are you calculating the charging costs in a route? I can't seem to correlate what the tool shows for the cost of a trip to what Tesla says the kWh costs are. Thanks
  15. 1 point
    Whenever you're driving, and feel like having it log is fine by us! Any and all driving data is useful in refining the model. If you want live data while driving and following a plan I would strongly recommend <30s intervals, I personally set my device to log every 5 seconds. One decision / trade we made was protecting privacy by not storing long-term data that could be identified back to you. Aside from your most recent data point (And that's even sanitized to remove any identifiable data, like Lat/Long), we don't store anything that could be traced back to you. If there's a strong desire, we would consider changing this architecture, but it would require a lot of careful thought of how we do that while preserving safety and security for your data.
  16. 1 point
    Thanks for all the input, just released this feature!
  17. 1 point
    In addition to selecting 'CCS', I would like to be able to select 'High Speed' or 'Ultra High Speed (100Kwh or higher)' for my journey. Currently, planning a journey from Calais to Amsterdam keeps selecting a 50Kwh CCS charger in Belgium. But I can make it to the 175Kwh Fastned charger near Roosendaal NL, and selecting this charger manually will route me that way. My car charges at 44Kwh at a 50Kwh CCS, but at 77Kwh at a 100Kwh charger. On a long journey this makes quite a lot of difference. So being able to select a preference for 'Ultra High Speed Charging speeds' would be nice. Thank you.
  18. 1 point
    I have been breaking up our trips into separate plans for speed in recalculating our route. Once I have finished each "leg" is there a way to combine the plans for display or printing?
  19. 1 point
    I can confirm this from a few days ago. I thought it's a temporally bug, but it still exists. I use beta.ab.... Thanks
  20. 1 point
    The second part of your request already exists! If you have your phone with the plan open and start driving (assuming you allowed us to access your GPS location) it'll follow the plan and give you a chart of actual vs expected charge. You can set the Actual charge using the large battery indicator next to the graph and it'll do similar things to having OBD (adjust the plan for actual consumption, suggest replans, etc) As far as the full plot of the entire route goes, that sounds like a good idea, we'll have to give it some thought on where/how to implement.
  21. 1 point
    Description: I like that you can click on the route to view the elevation/charging map. However, I'd really like to be able to see the full journey (not just each journey segment) and preferably larger. Perhaps this could be a toggle similar to the no-map mode. In fact, I now wonder if that is what shows when you add real-time information while driving (I don't have an OBD... yet at least!) In which case, perhaps enable the graph for people who don't have an OBD. Obviously it won't show the actual charge line, but it can still show predicted charge and you could use GPS position to indicate how far along the journey you are. Use Case: Useful when planning journeys gives a better indication of the relative elevations over the entire journey, whereas the auto-scale for each segment can make judging relative elevation tricky useful for comparing routes as graphs tend to be easier to interpret than tables (in the future, potentially display several saved routes on one map?) useful when journey has multiple stops because can have lots of segments to click on (eg for people like me who cannot afford a Tesla and have ~100km range on the open road!) Useful when on the road for non-OBD users allows for comparison to predicted charge based on location. Although the charge of the car will not display or be tracked, it would be very useful to know what the predicted charge was at that point to compare to the in-car display
  22. 1 point
    Good suggestion! I've added it to the list of things to do when I work on the settings. For now, you should be able to select Type2 / J1772 by switching between the EU / NA regions, and all will (should?) show on the map. If they don't let me know and I'll see if I can identify a bug.
  23. 1 point
    Fantastic, you're totally correct. I had missed that...doh!
  24. 1 point
    This link should now go to: The OBD setup instructions are now on the main planner site, for ease of use and minimizing the instruction bloat with new models.
  25. 1 point
    Description: Give users a toggle to allow for displaying arrival and departure capacity in distance (miles or kilometers) instead of battery charge percentage. ABRP already has information such as type of car (and thus battery capacity), consumption rate, battery degradation, etc. Use Case: I, along with what I am guessing are half Tesla users, prefer to display our battery gauge in terms of miles instead of percentage. So when I plan a trip, I need to see how many miles I have available and take that as a fraction of 240 (for my SR+ Model 3) and plug it into ABRP. Then at each step, no lie, I need to figure out the ending charge percentage recommended, figure how what mileage that ends up being (ie 76% departure charge is 182.4 miles) and stop my charging accordingly. I know I can have it charge longer but I try to optimize my time and want to follow ABRP's plan. I know there are a lot of variables at play but to me, it should make no difference for ABRP if it displays in distance or percentage. I know that sometimes you might arrive with not the exact distance calculated. But hey, you can also arrive with not the expected battery percentage either. Thank you.
  26. 1 point
    Once you have made an account and then make a plan, at the top right above the initially starting point there is a button to "save plan". Push that button. Once you pull up the ABRP site in the car browser and log in there is another button "Saved Plans". Click that and you will have a list of your saved plans. Click on the correct plan and voila!
  27. 1 point
    Progressive Web Apps (i.e. storing web pages offline) seems a bit immature on Safari, but we will do what we can to make it work as good as possible. I got the same issue on my phone, but resolved it by going to iOS Settings->Safari->Clear History and Website data. Let us see if it works from now or if it was just a temporary fix.
  28. 1 point
    We do already place a high weight on chargers with more stalls, so you should see something of that effect already. We generally prefer not adding hard routing restrictions, so we don't fail to plan a route when the only charger option is a charger with only 1 stall.
  29. 1 point
    I will include this in my upcoming settings work, thanks for the suggestion!
  30. 1 point
    Hi ABRP forums, im from the very south of germany, i drive a Hyundai Ioniq; The longest trip i have taken so far was a multiday trip (without charging overnight) from Trier, Germany through Eisenach, Germany back home at the Chiemsee (lake chiem); thats some 850 km ~525 miles. i really enjoy using ABRP to plan real but also mostly ficticious trips and also to use it to theorycraft optimal route planning and parameters for different cars. I think if you have a statistic for routes planned by IP or logged in user you would find me within the top10 (id also secretly like to see that statistic :P). So thanks for this great tool i recommend to everyone i know who drives an ev.
  31. 1 point
    Just took a nap and woke up with an idea. Maybe I'll take the 110v plug with me and set up the M3 with it for 155 mile range limit. Thoughts?
  32. 1 point
    Logging in from any computer should refresh the 36h timer.
  33. 1 point
    Where are you from? Beloit, Ks What car do you drive? 19 Bolt EV What's the longest trip you've taken in your EV? To Topeka and back. 400 miles
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  35. 1 point
    Some guys created an app for EVs without online access (Kona, e-Niro) called EV-Notify, to monitor charging. Using a secondary phone in the car it builds a bridge between OBD dongle and a server to monitor charging and to get notifications on a primary phone. Due to expected access problems of two apps (EV-Notify and Torque) to the OBD Dongle, we cannot use ABRP and EV-Notify at the same time. Description: Implementation of charging monitoring and notification within ABRP. Use Case: Travelling with a planned route using ABRP with a the primary phone. A secondary phone running Torque keeps uploading current SOC from OBD dongle to ABRP server. Primary phone acquires those date from server for use of dynamic planning adjustment and monitoring of SOC during charging brakes. Notification about SOC can be set manually or will be pushed automatically according to the SOC defined by the routeplanner to leave the charger. Thanks
  36. 1 point
    Ok so here it is, after long and hard work from Jason and me I finally released ABRPTransmitter. https://github.com/g4rb4g3/ABRPTransmitter It uses all the available data (GPS, SoC, Energy consumption, Temperatur) and transmitts it to ABRP. 🙂 Just install it, start it, enter your mail address you have used to register at ABRP and the app will start to push the data. Once it's configured it will autmatically start in background when the cars navigation system had a GPS lock. Special thanks to Jamson who supported me alot!
  37. 1 point
    Description: Change (or Option) for wind speed in km/h. Use Case: Wind speed in metric countries is more commonly communicated in news and weather forecasts with km/h rather than m/s. For imperial you have used mp/h so suggest consistency with units when changing to metric.
  38. 1 point
    Give a try to saving ABRP to your home screen, that'll get rid of the address bar at the top of the webpage. You should get a small popup at the bottom of the screen with the offer when you first load up the page. Guess I need to look at making sure the mapless display doesn't bleed over onto its buttons on very small displays, haha!
  39. 1 point
    Where are you from? Herefordshire in the UK What car do you drive? Jaguar Ipace First Edition What's the longest trip you've taken in your EV? 320 miles third day of ownership preparing for trip to home in Burgundy, France in 3 weeks time Love ABRP Duncan
  40. 1 point
    Description: Either split the units out per type: Speed/Distance, Weight, Temperature. Or add another option of Imperial (UK). Use Case: In the UK we use a strange mixture of Metric and Imperial. Speeds and Distance are measured in miles, but temperature and weight are in °C and KG.
  41. 1 point
    It took far too long, but now we have the 120 Ah models in ABRP too.
  42. 1 point
    Hello Brian, not sure if you are on facebook but this group are a good laugh, meetup planned in late Jan, I'll be there. https://www.facebook.com/groups/265124087460244/
  43. 1 point
    Where are you from? From Rothenburg, Germany What car do you drive? Tesla Model X & S What's the longest trip you've taken in your EV? Cres croatia and Bratislava sk
  44. 1 point
    Where are you from? Ireland What car do you drive? Renault Zoe Q210 (22kWh) What's the longest trip you've taken in your EV? very short, only 40km. I have the car less than 1 month but am planning to take some longer trips soon.
  45. 1 point
    Hi Brian, welcome to ABRP forums and thanks for choosing us!
  46. 1 point
    Hi Karl, Welcome to ABRP forums and thanks for joining us!
  47. 1 point
    It's a shame the API isn't more useful, it'd be a lot easier to set up for a lot of people, and once a minute is good enough to track plan progress for you as a user, and I'm sure I could eventually get enough data points to build a solid driving model from that. I'll give a try to contacting Stephan Gauch and see what he's got, perhaps he's willing to help us out!
  48. 1 point
    Hi all ! It's been two months since I took possession of my Leaf 40 and I am really interested in your route planner. If I can be of any help, i can already tell you that I tested the very limit to when the car stops and from the attached Leafspy screenshot you can see there were 8 gids remaining and 1.8% SOC when the car had long told me I was out of energy ... I also have the Leafspy log of my journey if you're interested in it just tell me. Tomorrow, I will log to your server as I have a trip to do (190 km the morning and 300 km the afternoon) hope it works well.
  49. 1 point
    Absolutely! This is on our wish list too. We would definitely have to have an app to use Android Auto, although there is a way if your phone is rooted. It's possible to mirror any app on your phone (including the browser) to Android Auto. Longer term, we are looking at building an app. What would you want the Android Auto features to be? Would you want to leave navigation up to Google Maps / Waze, and have us just provide statuses (and charts / replanning if your battery gets too low)? Of course full turn by turn navigation is much harder to implement well.
  50. 0 points
    OK, fixed that! Now the direct "Tesla Nav" button is only shown in the car browser when logged in with MyTesla - is that better?

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